My friend Troy Angrignon wrote what I consider to be a great post on the 18 levels of *mental* evolution that people/companies/clients go through in thinking about their websites. See http://www.troyangrignon.com/blog/_archives/2005/6/19/955532.html -- Boris Mann Vancouver 778-896-2747 San Francisco 415-367-3595 SKYPE borismann http://www.bryght.com