[consulting] American Labour Laws & Future of Labour

Sami Khan sami at etopian.net
Sun Aug 22 16:00:47 UTC 2010


On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:30:37 -0400, "Heinz D. Wegener"
<heinz at simplexcreative.com> wrote:
> It's amazing to me how much this "consulting" forum is used to debate
> socialism vs. capitalism. Socialism is completely counter-intuitive to
> being a consultant. Being a consultant implies that you are interested
in
> finding jobs that will make you money so that you can support your
family.
> You are participating in capitalism. This hatred of corporations is
> foolishness. Success is not evil. Profit is not evil. 

If the world was as simple as you make it out to be, and all these ideas
and thoughts can simply be resolved by consulting a few history books and
chanting some mantras about how great everything is... then I might agree
with you. The real world is a complex place, if you look around a bit
outside of your own life and maybe your circle of friends -- or if you have
ever been down on your luck, you would understand. 

The US has a large underclass, approximately 40 million people; these
people live below the poverty line. The ideas and the policies are largely
to blame for these people being put in their position and not being
"successful". Profits are not the problem, but when 30% of the economy is
based on financial products for simply allocating money, something is
definitely wrong there. 

If the things continue to go the way that they have been, this underclass
will grow and there is no guarantee that you or someone you care about
won't end up in it. Entrepreneurship is contingent upon the economy, and
the economy is contingent upon the middle class for people such as
yourself. Supporting policies that increase the size of the middle class
and make sure that they have enough money, guarantee that there are
opportunities to be had. That's the basics. Beyond that there are questions
of morality. Is success for some necessary, sure. But to what extent?
Unlimited profits? What if that means that the size of the underclass
grows, from 40 million to say 80 million or above. Is that a good way to
support "success"?

There are some who simply debate to win... that is not the aim here. The
aim is to explore where one stands and see where there are in relation to
everyone else. In doing that we create possibilities for futures, rather
than leaving that task to those who are "successful"... because all that
they want is to be more "successful". Which means that they want the
underclass size to grow.

You are simply self-concerned with your life, and because things are good
for you and those that you care about, you rather ignore that there are any
problems... That sort of reactive auto-control approach is what put us in
the economic situation that we are in right now. 

 
> My father and his family did not emigrate from Germany to America to
> experience despair and normalcy. They came with hope, and they had
nothing.
> They were hard working people with a desire to succeed in one of the
best
> countries in the world. My father was 6-years-old when they came to this
> country. He worked his ass off with the goal of becoming successful and
was
> motivated to do so partially because kids would call him a Nazi in
school
> just for being from Germany. And guess what? He succeeded. And guess
what
> else? He is the most generous, giving man I know, and has an amazing
heart
> for people. There's your evil capitalist. 

The Germans are doing fine at this point. So you would be fine whether you
were in the US or in Germany; probably better if they are from West
Germany. Anecdotes like this about the reaffirmation of American Dream tell
us nothing about the actual situation on the ground. Certain statistics
paint a different picture. The truth lies somewhere in between.

If you want some anecdotes of people who are not as lucky as you or your
family, look here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/invisiblepeopletv


> My father-in-law experienced the same type of success after his family
> fled from Cuba. Both he and my father both become owners of successful
> companies. With socialism comes the death of that hope that most
immigrants
> had back in the 40's and 50's and still have today. 

I think that hope is dead already and it's because of the financial
banksters, who are motivated by capitalism. It may be the case that those
times are gone for good and we will have to settle for some more social
solutions or else face being in the underclass of capitalism.


> Study your history, and
> learn the truth yourself. Entrepreneurs were, and continue to be, some
of
> the primary contributors to America's success.

I am happy for your family. I also don't support totalitarian Cuba, or any
totalitarian socialist economy.

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