<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><DIV>On Dec 30, 2005, at 8:40 AM, Dan Robinson wrote:</DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Respectfully this is not helping the discussion much.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Do you guys have</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">a plan?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>When will it be revealed?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>What is the schedule?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></P> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><DIV>We are focusing on writing code.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>CivicSpace Labs has maintained Mailhandler, Listhandler, MassMailer and checked our code into a public and well know code repository, Drupal CVS.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>We have done prototypes, <A href="http://dgroups.civicspacelabs.org">http://dgroups.civicspacelabs.org</A>, and distribute these modules as part of the CivicSpace distribution and provide support here: <A href="http://civicspacelabs.org/home/community">http://civicspacelabs.org/home/community</A></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>We have documented them extensively <A href="http://civicspacelabs.org/home/dgroups-recipe">http://civicspacelabs.org/home/dgroups-recipe</A>, <A href="http://civicspacelabs.org/home/dgroups-case-study">http://civicspacelabs.org/home/dgroups-case-study</A>, <A href="http://drupal.org/handbooks/mailhandler">http://drupal.org/handbooks/mailhandler</A>, <A href="http://drupal.org/handbooks/massmailer">http://drupal.org/handbooks/massmailer</A>, <A href="http://drupal.org/handbooks/listhandler">http://drupal.org/handbooks/listhandler</A>, <A href="http://drupal.org/node/40777">http://drupal.org/node/40777</A></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>We have committed code and done significant re-writes to Organic Groups to enable mailing list integration as well as integration with CiviCRM to allow for contact management. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><A href="http://drupal.org/node/28781-Introduce">http://drupal.org/node/28781-Introduce</A> OG user hook</DIV><DIV><A href="http://drupal.org/node/33275-">http://drupal.org/node/33275-</A>Don't store group subscriptions in node_access table</DIV><DIV><A href="http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/modules/og/contrib/og_civicrm/">http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/modules/og/contrib/og_civicrm/</A></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>We have also worked with Moshe(<A href="http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/modules/listhandler/contrib/email_list_mailman/">http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/modules/listhandler/contrib/email_list_mailman/</A>) and Peter John Hartman (http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/modules/mlist/) to disucss their mailing list integration implementations which don't meet our security and mailing list creation needs.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Is there a reason that this is not being pursued in the light of day?</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><DIV>We are focused on writing code. When it's ready we will check it into a public repository and document it like we do with everything. If there are developers who want to write significant code contributions we are happy to work with them as we have in recent meetings with Allie, from CivicActions. Conversations about infinite features on infinite platform combinations that are not backed with collaborative code contributions in a publicly accessible repository have not proved useful in the past.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Cheers,</DIV><DIV>Kieran</DIV></BODY></HTML>