<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">I'm getting into this conversation late, so I'll follow suit by hijacking the thread into another tangent to the topic. <DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>A lot of issues have been raised here (as well as in the discussion after Dries' presentation this morning at OSCMS).</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I'm wondering what the current state of contributed Drupal themes has to do with how easy/hard it is to theme for Drupal for, e.g., corporate clients or with what a theme repository full of proprietary themes would provide. It seems to me that there is a world of difference between contributed themes, one-off designs for clients, and theme showcases, and the challenges for each are somewhat different.<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>What's more, I feel it's important to remember that designing for Drupal, or any robust CMS, involves a lot more than static graphic design and is a lot more complex than theming for just one kind of content, like a blog. Proper theming involves 4 dimensions, including the layers (z axis) and the time through which the theme moves as the user interacts with it.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>It can be challenging when Drupal still has some presentation logic built into key modules, but that's diminishing, and when it comes down to it, there's virtually nothing that cannot be overridden or replaced using best practices. This makes the challenge to theming both easier and more difficult. Easier because there's less to fight against. More difficult because if you can do anything, how to you theme for that?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I know the vast majority of designers are allergic to programming, but when you're talking about interactive design, the program is integral to the design, and while you may be able to avoid the code syntax, you won't be able to avoid the code logic -- not if you're doing a full GUI design. Even if you took a design from the various skinning sites out there and ported it to Drupal, you'll have to deal with challenges of complexity and multiple content types that are beyond the realm of what most themes have to accommodate.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>So is the question how to learn how to theme a custom Drupal site? Or how to build up a richer, more beautiful theme repository in contrib? Or how to showcase existing designs?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Laura</DIV></DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV><B style="font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; ">•</SPAN></B></DIV><DIV>Laura Scott</DIV><DIV>pingVision, LLC</DIV><DIV><A href="mailto:laura@pingv.com">laura@pingv.com</A></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>1350 Pine Street, Suite 1</DIV><DIV>Boulder, CO 80302</DIV><DIV>303.415.2559</DIV><DIV><A href="http://pingv.com">http://pingv.com</A></DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>