Sean, Bill<br><br>I do not want to diminish here the role of bricklayers<br>I infact am learning how to make bricks myself, and think that their role<br>is critical<br><br>However, when a bricklayer stars wanting to do the job of the architect, or the engineer,<br>
we have a problem.<br><br>Have you ever worked with a developer who is trying to put his 'creative ideas'<br>into your design? I am sure there are times when this can happen purposefully<br>and can be a great bonus to the project. There are other times when<br>
this will cause the developer to get lost in their own fantastic design, and not deliver<br>the functionality that I require, on budget , and on time.<br>I need abc, done today, with so much people hour budget.<br>the developer comes a long and says sure I can do abc, actually, I can also<br>
do def and xyz, or even cba, fed, andz zyx. so two days later, after the deadline has passed, he delivers hcefxywtf. - he disagrees with my old abc operational logic<br><br>thanks for the creative contribution folks, for the moment I only need the functionality required, asap,<br>
anyone there intersted in some work? I got plety of things open <br><br>oh btw - I forgot to say this<br>following up on the certification thread<br><br>After advertising on the site I got contacted (among others) by a developer who said he was only going to work anonymously. I was not to know his identity, and he would give me a good discount.Hellow????Do I want to give the keys to my estate not knowing who the guy is??Is this guy a real developer, a drupal adventurer, or someone who is ashamed to show his face for whatever reason?<br>
<br>finding the right people for the job is not easy.... any initiative aimed to help there would be appreciated<br><br>cheers<br>PDM<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 26, 2008 9:43 PM, Bill Fitzgerald <<a href="mailto:bill@funnymonkey.com">bill@funnymonkey.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d">Sean Burlington wrote:<br>> <a href="mailto:paola.dimaio@gmail.com">paola.dimaio@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
><br>>> When the bricklayer will work for this project, he will use his bricks, and<br>>> his standard techniques, and will learn new skills, and acquire new<br>>> knowledge that before he did not have<br>
>> He will not be at liberty to reuse the unique architecture which in turn<br>>> supports my unique<br>>> service. That does not mean that it will not give other good ideas<br>>><br>>><br>><br>
> but developing a Drupal site isn't analogous to laying bricks!<br>><br></div>Exactly -- and this is why metaphors can be a hindrance, rather than an<br>aid, to these types of conversations. The metaphors rarely apply<br>
directly. Add to that that few, if any of us, are lawyers, and that we<br>are talking about law that varies from country to country. I'm confused<br>just writing this :)<br><div class="Ih2E3d">> - and I think this is the source of at least part of the conflict -<br>
> managers see the development work as just an implementation of their concept<br>><br>> - whereas many developers feel that they do far more than this and often<br>> contribute a great deal to the business model as well as providing a<br>
> lot of creative input.<br>><br></div>While IANAL, part of the reason I like the idea of Project IP (a term I<br>never knew about until our lawyer taught it to me -- and yes, although<br>he used it in MY contract he's still free to use it with other clients<br>
;) ) is that it puts the contributions of the developer to the business<br>plan/organizational strategy right on the table.<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Bill<br><font color="#888888"><br>--<br></font><div class="Ih2E3d">Bill Fitzgerald<br>
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