As one of the people who advocated for and help to create this list, the goal of the list is to facilitate consultants to be more effective in how they are able to work with drupal. Sometimes that is consultant business issues, sometimes that is client issues, sometimes that is drupal content issues and coding problems.<br>
<br>All the things it takes for a consultant (as opposed to a developer) needs to move forward and be more successful.<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Sam Cohen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com">sam@samcohen.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I'm not sure who the "powers that be" are mentioned in the other email, but it seems like discussing <i>anything </i>related to Drupal on this list would be inappropriate. <br>
<br>It seems like this list is specifically about consulting and being a service provider, and it's not the place to discuss theming, coding and non-business related issues from the perspective of an independent consultant -- but perhaps I'm wrong about that.<br>
<br>The list doesn't really state a purpose and definition, so I think it would be great if the folks in charge of this list can state what the purpose of the list is and what subject matters are meant to be discussed. <br>
<br>Obviously, it would be easier to not start a new list and use this one, but it seems that a list specifically "for independent Drupal consultants to support one another and discuss Drupal and business related issues" might be quite different in purpose than this list.<br>
<br>For example, I think it would be great to have a list where I can ask other independents php or server questions. Are you suggesting that this would be appropriate here? <br><br>Thanks,<br><font color="#888888">Sam</font><div>
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On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 12:42 PM, David Jones <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@web-reverb.com" target="_blank">david@web-reverb.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I would <i>reluctantly </i>join your new list. I, however, agree with the others in that I don't think it's really necessary. The majority of the people on this list <i>are </i>independents. I don't understand why you can't bring these issues you speak of <i>here.<br>
<br></i>Instead of breaking off the group, why not just start posting your issues here? I highly doubt that any non-independents would object. More over, I'm sure that anyone that <i>is </i>non-independent would love to hear what things are like on the other side of the fence. And if not, they can always file the threads under "trashcan!" <br>
<br>Glad to see you trying to ramp up involvement, though. I think it's very healthy for the whole community.<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Sam Cohen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com" target="_blank">sam@samcohen.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div>On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Adam Mordecai <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mordecai@advomatic.com" target="_blank">mordecai@advomatic.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>The majority of people on this list are independent developers, to splinter it even more would cause a low traffic list to be even more low traffic. </div></blockquote></div><div><br>That's a fair point, but I didn't think anyone would mind, given this list gets about 2 posts a
month and is for all intents and purposes it is dormant. <br>
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I'm hoping to start an active lists/group with, potentially, many posts a day. But more importantly, this list i<font size="2">s, as its described, "<font color="#000000">A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers</font>."</font> <br>
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<i>What I'd like to start is a support community specifically for independents and not just about consulting</i>
-- one where we can discuss anything
related to Drupal, from the unique challenges of being a one man/woman show to theming and coding issues. The group would be tied together by a common
thread, which is that we are all one-person operations, either full time
or part time. <br>
<br>
My experience shows me there's a huge difference when it comes to being
a one-person operation and being part of a shop, definitely enough to
support its own group. <br>
<br>
It would also give the independents some of the community and advantages that people who already work as a group have. <br>
<br>
For example, when I worked as part of a team, it was really easy to
just ask coworkers for help as they were being compensated for their
time, and I can give help to my team and I was being compensated, all
by my employer who understood that employees helping each other was
important.<br>
<br>
But now, as an independent, I no longer have that advantage, and I
think a group of independents, even though it's their own time and
dime, would be willing to help one another the way those who work for a
company do. <br>
<br>
Best, <br><font color="#888888">
Sam <br></font></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><br><div><div><div></div><div><div>On Jan 10, 2009, at 7:57 AM, Sam Cohen wrote:</div>
<br>Hi everyone,<br><br>I'm an independent Drupal consultant and I have purposely decided to not grow and become a web shop or work for another web shop. I like being a one-person operation. <br><br>I think being an independent, a one man or woman "shop," comes with many unique challenges and I was wondering if any other Indies out there would be interested in starting a separate email list just for Independent Drupal Consultants, in order to share advice on things like time management, working with clients, managing work load, etc. <br>
<br>If so, please email me at <a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com" target="_blank">sam@samcohen.com</a> and I'll start a list.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Sam<br></div></div><div> _______________________________________________<br>
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