n Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 3:07 PM, John Sechrest <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sechrest@ao.com">sechrest@ao.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Are there no problems/projects or websites that can be build by drupal that have value, which don't require writing new code? </blockquote><div><br>Sure, but to make a living as a Drupal consultant just doing those types of projects? Is that possible? I mean is it possible if you work for yourself? How does that work? How many projects do you have to do a week/month? What do you tell clients when they want something that's not configurable?<br>
<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">It seems to me that the better drupal gets , the more often you can get what you want without writing code. And just because it does not take code to solve the problem, often configuring drupal so that it is what someone wants is more than the average lay person can do. </blockquote>
<div><br>I agree that using panels, views, cck and other modules does require knowledge beyond your average lay person's abiliy, and you can get a great deal done with those. <br><br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
And that is the space that many consultants are in. </blockquote><div><br>I find that really surprising. I just couldn't imagine doing what I'm doing without also writing code. And I'm never , as you said below, "writing the next new bit of something." I don't have time for that. For me, it's just about getting a job done and writing what needs to be written for a job, which for me has always required quite a bit of customization.<br>
<br>I don't understand how you can do a project without it. If a client asks for something, I say, yes, that will take X hours, or X to Y hours. That feature may exist in a module, in which case it takes less time. But just as often it doesn't and I have to price the time it would take me to write it or modify something written. <br>
<br>If your a one-person consultant and you don't code, do you tell them that it can't be done? Or do you have to shop out every feature to a developer? <br><br>This is interesting to me, because in many ways I'd like to be able to do less code and actually spend more time working with clients, so I'm curious how this works for others. <br>
<br>Right now, without custom code, I'd probably have to do 3 sites a week to make a living, because for me a typical job involves at most, maybe a day of "configuration" but can take from a couple of days to 100+ hours in coding. <br>
<br>I'd love to hear what other consultants are doing? Are there really that many of you who work for yourselves, make a living, and are not spending a big portion of your time coding?<br><br>Sam<br><br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br><br>And even if they do need to subcontract out to get code , it is not the primary focus.<br><br>There are developer-consultants are are in the specific space of always writing the next new bit of something. But that need was met by the developer lists. <br>
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<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Sam Cohen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com" target="_blank">sam@samcohen.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="gmail_quote"><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="gmail_quote"><br><div><br>There are many issues that can be resolved by writing more code, changing how drupal works. Those are really where the developers excel. However, this list was focused on how to use the current tools and to not go into the process of solving every problem by re-re-writing code to make it work a specific way. <br>
<br></div><div>Developers tend to be code-facing and use that hammer to solve problems. Consultants tend to be client-facing and are using a different set of tools to solve problems. Specifically they tend to see Drupal as a tool to solve a problem instead of a project in need of attention. <br>
<br>Which is why this is a different list than the developers lists.<br><br></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br>I don't see how you can be a Drupal consultant and not also be a developer. By developer, I mean writing custom php to make a site work, be it though a custom glue module that uses hooks and/or through template.php and theme development. <br>
<br>It's true that different projects require different amounts of coding, and some very little. <br><br>But I can't see how any Drupal consultant, who doesn't work with a shop, can make a living without also being a developer, unless they are just scoping out projects and then subcontracting to developers. <br>
<br>I don't get the distinction.<br><font color="#888888"><br>Sam<br><br><br><br><br><br> </font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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