<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I can't leave it at that. ZivTech is an excellent Drupal firm, they are extremely professional, and Alex is a stand up guy. We get recruiters stalking our firm all the time, and I think its an excellent idea to out the unprofessional ones to this list, every once in a while. We should have each other's backs if we are going to grow as an industry.<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Adam Mordecai, Partner</div><div>Advomatic, LLC</div><div><br></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br><div><div>On Feb 25, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">I also never asked John to call me. I may in fact need to lose 20 lbs, or enlarge my manhood, or find cheap prescription drugs, but that doesn't mean I want to be contacted (much less directly) in regards to these "services". He may have thought I was rude to abruptly end his "pitch" to me, but I don't have time for hucksters I don't know trying to sell me a service I don't need and didn't ask for. His response was, to put it mildly, batshit crazy, proving my warning was warranted. <br> <br>I don't feel like I have anything to apologize for- I personally would want to be warned if some crazy person was contacting Drupal firms out of the blue. Out of respect for the list I'm going to have to leave it at that.<br> <br clear="all">--<br>Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg<br>ZivTech, LLC<br><a href="http://zivtech.com">http://zivtech.com</a><br><a href="mailto:alex@zivtech.com">alex@zivtech.com</a><br>office: (267) 940-7737<br>cell: (215) 866-8956<br> skype: zivtech<br>aim: zivtech<br> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Sam Cohen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com">sam@samcohen.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I would actually prefer that you kept it here as I find it highly entertaining -- and Alex hasn't had a chance to defend himself yet. <br><br>My take is it seems to me that John was the one out of line with his pissy email to Alex -- and Alex did the right thing notifying others. I don't see how Alex asking John to attend his Drupal session was rude or deserved the sarcastic email response.<br> <br>Alex never asked, as far as I know, anyone to email John, so if someone took it upon himself to do so, that's not Alex's fault. John should have thought twice before firing off that email . <br><br>Uh oh, am I going to have legal action taken against me now -- or the police called?<br> <font color="#888888"> <br>Sam<br><br><br><br><br><br></font><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="Ih2E3d">On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:34 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mark@markery.com" target="_blank">mark@markery.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> </div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><span style="font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10pt;">I am new to this group, and I hope that this will be a useful forum for sharing tips and ideas. Normally I would expect this sort of conversation to be kept between two parties, rather than shared with the masses. I don't feel I have anything to offer to this, and I would prefer that you both take this offline.<br> <br>Thanks,<br><br>Mark (Who may or may NOT secretly be a moderator)<br><br> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid blue; margin-left: 8px; padding-left: 8px; font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: verdana;"> <div><div> -------- Original Message --------<br> Subject: Re: [consulting] A recruiter to watch out for...<br> From: Karen Sironen <<a href="mailto:karen@florezgroup.com" target="_blank">karen@florezgroup.com</a>><br> Date: Wed, February 25, 2009 2:11 pm<br> To: <a href="mailto:consulting@drupal.org" target="_blank">consulting@drupal.org</a><br> <br> <br> "... right down to the out right threats of physical violence"<br> <br></div><div> There is absolutely no reference and certainly no "out right threates" to<br> physical action or violence in John's emails to you. This is blatant slander<br> and we will be taking legal action. What kind of a person goes out of their<br> way to try to ruin someone else's business by making completely false<br> claims?<br> <br> John asked you several times to stop emailing him and your only response was<br> "block my address." It seems like you were the one that went out of your way<br> to harass him.<br> <br> <br> Darrel O'Pry-2 wrote:<br> > <br> > Actually I contacted john of my own accord... to ask why he spoke to alex<br> > in<br></div> > that manner.. the ensuing conversation was highly amusing... right down<br> > to<div><div></div><div><br> > the out right threats of physical violence.<br> > <br> > On Feb 25, 2009 4:41 PM, "Karen Sironen" <<a href="mailto:karen@florezgroup.com" target="_blank">karen@florezgroup.com</a>> wrote:<br> > <br> > <br> > I am the President of The Florez Group, the company John co-owns with me.<br> > This is only half of the story you are getting from Alex. John called Alex<br> > to see if he needed any recruiting services. Alex told John in a very<br> > rude,<br> > abrasive way that Alex doesn't need recruiting services and is hosting a<br> > tutorial on how to recruit Drupal talent and perhaps John could learn a<br> > tip<br> > or two from attending this tutorial. I've worked with John for 8 years and<br> > he has been nothing but kind and courteous, but he's not going to take<br> > someone insulting him lightly, especially when John did nothing to insult<br> > or<br> > harm Alex. Thus, the forwarded email from Alex.<br> > <br> > But Alex didn't stop there. Not only did he continue to email John, but he<br> > got his friends to email him as well. At that point, John called Alex to<br> > tell him to stop contacting him. In fact, the harassing emails did not<br> > stop<br> > even after John threatened legal action. 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