not to be a prick but can you change your subject in lieu of responding to the digest message in the future.<br><br>thanks, Jim<br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/3/26 Arnold Leung <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arnold@appnovation.com">arnold@appnovation.com</a>></span><br>
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1. Re: Estimation-Blowout case-studies wanted (Matt Chapman)<br>
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3. Re: Estimation-Blowout case-studies wanted (Michael Prasuhn)<br>
4. Re: Estimation-Blowout case-studies wanted (Victor Kane)<br>
5. Re: Estimation-Blowout case-studies wanted (Darrel O'Pry)<br>
6. Re: enormously scalable project (Laura Scott)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:07:17 -0700<br>
From: Matt Chapman <Matt@NinjitsuWeb.com><br>
Subject: Re: [consulting] Estimation-Blowout case-studies wanted<br>
To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers<br>
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Victor Kane wrote:<br>
> Of course we have a right to publish our minimum wage!<br>
Agreed. Another fallacy in this discussion is the assumption that<br>
possessing a law degree makes counsel automatically correct. Lawyers are<br>
less interested in True or False and more interested in Win or Lose. If<br>
they can Win a client by advising against a battle they are personally<br>
likely to Lose, they will advise accordingly, without suggesting that<br>
the battle might be Won by someone else under the right circumstances.<br>
Of course, as "War Games" taught us, sometimes the only way to Win is to<br>
not play the game.<br>
<br>
> Of course we have a right to declare rates beneath which no-one should<br>
> be accepting work.<br>
Who is 'we' here? I don't think the community has any right to force an<br>
individual to refuse the opportunity to earn. Each individual has the<br>
right to determine for themselves what standard of living is acceptable<br>
to them, and therefore the wages they must earn to support that standard<br>
of living. In a free society, if I don't have the skills to earn that<br>
wage, I can learn them; if I'm in the wrong place to exercise my skills,<br>
I can go to the right place. (In a just society, those who can go and<br>
can learn will provide an average standard of living for those those who<br>
can't.)<br>
<br>
In the internet age, the 'going' is almost entirely irrelevant. What an<br>
amazing era we live in, where anyone with an internet connection and<br>
sufficient self-motivation can become an independent Drupal developer<br>
and earn $1000/per week with moderate effort! In the better part of the<br>
world, Drupal can, at the present, provide the opportunity to live like<br>
a king.<br>
<br>
To hope that this present state will sustain itself endlessly is<br>
obviously foolish. It is the nature of Life itself to compete, change,<br>
grow, and progress. One who insists on maintaining the status quo should<br>
not be surprised that 'death' is the result. Artificial systems to<br>
enforce the status quo are artificial life support: living death. No thanks.<br>
<br>
I charge a fairly high rate compared to some; I don't begrudge anyone<br>
the opportunity to work for less, if the amount they receive allows them<br>
to provide a quality service and support their chosen lifestyle. If they<br>
aren't providing quality, their client's will decide my services are<br>
worth the higher price; if they aren't supporting their lifestyle, they<br>
will raise their rates closer to mine. If they are successful to the<br>
point that my clients are leaving me, I will be forced to improve the<br>
quality of my services, or find new services to offer that can command<br>
the rate I need for my chosen lifestyle. The free market system, while<br>
far from perfect and not prone to ensure justice of it's own accord, is<br>
self-correcting.<br>
<br>
Fortunately, in the world of IT, there is always some hot new technology<br>
which can be offered for obscene prices until the rest of the workers<br>
catch on, then I can alter my lifestyle, or find the next technology.<br>
wash, rinse, and repeat. If you don't like having to learn new skills<br>
every couple years, I suggest abandoning the information age society for<br>
subsistence farming; it's still a viable option. The era of assurances<br>
of predictably increasing earnings over one's career is gone; everyone<br>
under thirty should know this and should plan accordingly. The only way<br>
to continually increase earnings is to continually increase knowledge.<br>
Artificial controls on earnings, especially in technology, will only<br>
hinder innovation and progress. Our present economic situation in the<br>
USA is precisely because too many people expected things to continue as<br>
they always have, and too few people planned for change.<br>
<br>
(Perhaps as a counterpart to Agile Programming Techniques, we need<br>
evangelists for Agile Living Techniques. Assume what you know and what<br>
you need today is not an effective predictor of what you will need and<br>
learn tomorrow.)<br>
<br>
This is perhaps ultimately what distinguishes a Consultant from a<br>
Worker. My primary value is not so much what I can do; it's is what I am<br>
capable of learning to do. Client's need me when they need someone who<br>
can do what has never been done before. I thrive under such challenges,<br>
which is why I am drawn to consulting. Maybe a world is emerging where<br>
we must all become consultants, or else learn to grow our crops and<br>
build our own homes. I don't consider it a tragedy if the middle road<br>
disappears entirely, but I understand why other's might.<br>
<br>
As long as we are providing a service that the "bosses" need, we have<br>
the power; centralizing that power will only inhibit the liberty of the<br>
individual. Tyranny from the association of workers is no better than<br>
the tyranny from the association of bosses.<br>
<br>
When information capital is the prime commodity and information is as<br>
free as it is now on the internet, those with money capital (i.e., your<br>
"bosses") are no longer advantaged. Long live OLPC, Wikipedia, oDesk,<br>
and CreativeCommons.<br>
<br>
I'm thankful to live in a society where I can chose to be my own boss<br>
anytime I want. The solution in the worker/boss struggle is not for the<br>
workers to gang up against the bosses; it is for the workers to BECOME<br>
the bosses. Drupal has made this possible for me, and for that, I'm<br>
truly thankful.<br>
<br>
Best to all,<br>
<br>
Matt<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:29:26 -0700<br>
From: Matt Chapman <Matt@NinjitsuWeb.com><br>
Subject: Re: [consulting] Estimation-Blowout case-studies wanted<br>
To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers<br>
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Robert Foley wrote:<br>
> Rates go up and down, salaries go up and down what really matters is<br>
> are you doing what you love (and or does your job allow you fund that<br>
> which you love)? If not, then keep searching for another career or job<br>
> or idea that will.<br>
What he said. Sorry for the redundancy in my excruciatingly long babblings.<br>
<br>
If brevity is the soul of wit, then those who call my musings soul-less<br>
may be right. I am, however, eager to hear the response of those who<br>
think it wit-less. In reviewing the tone of my comments, I noticed again<br>
that I tend to state as fact things which I'm merely pondering, so I<br>
don't want to dissuade anyone who might be able to enhance my education<br>
with their own thoughts on the subject, even if presented less<br>
dogmatically.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Matt<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:57:30 -0700<br>
From: Michael Prasuhn <<a href="mailto:mike@mikeyp.net" target="_blank">mike@mikeyp.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [consulting] Estimation-Blowout case-studies wanted<br>
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On Mar 26, 2009, at 3:59 AM, Victor Kane wrote:<br>
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> Otherwise we'll all be washing dishes in Soho, because it's a better<br>
> paid job than developing websites.<br>
<br>
<br>
You have piqued my interest. Can you elaborate?<br>
<br>
This 'Soho' place, is it nice? What kind of dishes?<br>
<br>
-Mike<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:56:52 -0300<br>
From: Victor Kane <<a href="mailto:victorkane@gmail.com" target="_blank">victorkane@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [consulting] Estimation-Blowout case-studies wanted<br>
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First class dishes!<br>
My keyboard weary fingertips soak in the hottub of sinkwater<br>
A simple life<br>
Movement and the zen of no thought<br>
Money in the bank<br>
<br>
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Michael Prasuhn <<a href="mailto:mike@mikeyp.net" target="_blank">mike@mikeyp.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On Mar 26, 2009, at 3:59 AM, Victor Kane wrote:<br>
><br>
> Otherwise we'll all be washing dishes in Soho, because it's a better paid<br>
>> job than developing websites.<br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
> You have piqued my interest. Can you elaborate?<br>
><br>
> This 'Soho' place, is it nice? What kind of dishes?<br>
><br>
> -Mike<br>
><br>
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:42:25 -0400<br>
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The sledgehammer and crowbar of gordon matta clarke made it beautiful. The<br>
greed and wealth of the soulless made it a dim echo of what it was.<br>
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On Mar 26, 2009 4:58 PM, "Michael Prasuhn" <<a href="mailto:mike@mikeyp.net" target="_blank">mike@mikeyp.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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On Mar 26, 2009, at 3:59 AM, Victor Kane wrote: > Otherwise we'll all be<br>
washing dishes in Soho, be...<br>
You have piqued my interest. Can you elaborate?<br>
<br>
This 'Soho' place, is it nice? What kind of dishes?<br>
<br>
-Mike<br>
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:33:16 -0600<br>
From: Laura Scott <<a href="mailto:pinglaura@gmail.com" target="_blank">pinglaura@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [consulting] enormously scalable project<br>
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On Sat Mar 21, 2009, at 8:21 am, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:<br>
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> However, there are four firms I'm aware of with specific focus on<br>
> scalability:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.tag1consulting.com/" target="_blank">http://www.tag1consulting.com/</a> - "LAMP Performance and Scalability<br>
> Experts" tap into experience running <a href="http://drupal.org" target="_blank">drupal.org</a> and several other<br>
> large scale sites to help their customers. Also have some good<br>
> resources (patches, articles) on their site.<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://fourkitchens.com/" target="_blank">http://fourkitchens.com/</a> - Pressflow is their distribution of Drupal<br>
> which has extra patches to make it perform/scale better in a MySQL<br>
> only environment. They also provide advice on hardware/software for<br>
> scalability.<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.workhabit.com/products/elastic2" target="_blank">http://www.workhabit.com/products/elastic2</a> - Provide services around<br>
> scalable Drupal in Amazon's cloud, and historically have offered<br>
> consulting on making Drupal scalable elsewhere as well.<br>
><br>
> Acquia - nothing generally available yet, but Dries mentioned in the<br>
> 2009 roadmap that they will offer a product code-named "Fields" to<br>
> help people scale Drupal on Amazon's web service infrastructure -<br>
> <a href="http://buytaert.net/acquia-2009-roadmap" target="_blank">http://buytaert.net/acquia-2009-roadmap</a> They are probably offering a<br>
> closed beta of this now - contact a sales rep if interested in trying<br>
> it out.<br>
><br>
> And <a href="http://2bits.com" target="_blank">2bits.com</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://2bits.com/articles/drupal-performance-tuning-and-optimization-for-large-web-sites.html" target="_blank">http://2bits.com/articles/drupal-performance-tuning-and-optimization-for-large-web-sites.html</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://2bits.com/services/drupal-performance-assessment-tuning-and-optimization.html" target="_blank">http://2bits.com/services/drupal-performance-assessment-tuning-and-optimization.html</a><br>
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And pingVision (though we haven't been blogging about it, really - <a href="http://pingv.com/services/drupal-deployment-scaling-performance-tuning" target="_blank">http://pingv.com/services/drupal-deployment-scaling-performance-tuning</a>)<br>
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