Sorry if I came across as harsh, but I don't think this is a philosophical argument. The Drupal community supports 2 versions. That is the current fact. I am not saying that people who want to support Drupal 5 sites are used car salesmen, but rather that there are certainly unscrupulous salesman, as well as people who (even with the best of intentions) mislead their clients into maintaining unreasonable expectations for what can be expected at a certain cost. <br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/3/29 Sam Cohen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com">sam@samcohen.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Why so harsh? I mean your basically saying that everyone who wants to maintain Drupal 5 sites -- including those who want to backport security patches -- is a used car salesman and a fraud?<br><br>Could there not be room here for a legitimate philosophical difference?<br>
<br>Sam<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2009/3/29 Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Alex@zivtech.com" target="_blank">Alex@zivtech.com</a>></span><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>> I'm talking about big sites with lots of customization, where clients might<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>> spend well over 100k on customization. I'm just questioning whether those<br>> who build those sites are building in -- or being upfront -- about the cost<br>
> of upgrading to D6 and then D7. <br><br></div></div></div><div><div></div><div class="h5">And I wonder whether that car salesman really knew he was selling a lemon. <br><br>It strikes me that we've moved away from "Should Drupal be supported for more than two releases?" to "Are there salespeople that mislead clients about the full cost of acquiring some piece of technology?". And since the answer to the second question is so obvious, what are we even talking about?<br>
<br>Of course there are shops that sell crap as gold, and if a client doesn't know this an still throws down $100k on a site from a huckster (I'm assuming only a huckster could sell $100k worth of anything without a rock solid reputation)? Well, I have a bridge in Brooklyn (or maybe a CDO/CDS or some other exotic "security") that they'd be stupid not to buy a piece of.<div>
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aim: zivtech<br><br><br><br></div>2009/3/29 Sam Cohen <<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com" target="_blank">sam@samcohen.com</a>>:<div><div></div><div><br>>><br>>><br>>> If I do those things I hope to end up with sites that have very little<br>
>> customization. That doesn't eliminate upgrade problems, but it makes the<br>>> upgrade much much more manageble.<br>><br>> Yes, but then we're talking about simple sites.<br>><br>> I'm talking about big sites with lots of customization, where clients might<br>
> spend well over 100k on customization. I'm just questioning whether those<br>> who build those sites are building in -- or being upfront -- about the cost<br>> of upgrading to D6 and then D7. <br>><br>
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>><br>>> 2009/3/29 Sam Cohen <<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com" target="_blank">sam@samcohen.com</a>><br>>>><br>>>> I understand the logic in what you're saying, but it makes me wonder<br>
>>> whether or not in the real world, big site developers who are now building<br>
>>> complex sites in Drupal 6, with lots of customization, are building into<br>>>> their fees and being upfront with clients about what it's going to cost to<br>>>> upgrade that site to Drupal 7. <br>
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