Sam, <br><br>Its hard to give an estimate on Upgrade effort for a Drupal site. It entirely depends on which modules are used and whether they have their versions available in higher version. If not, what are the equivalent modules that offer same/similar functionality and what impact will it have when you complete the upgrade process.<br>
<br>This usually takes few passes on the staging environment and then 1 or 2 dry runs before a site goes live. <br><br>And you also have to have a bucket of hours allocated for post Upgrade support if something is noticed and needs emergency fix.<br>
<br>Roshan<br><a href="http://www.gloscon.com">http://www.gloscon.com</a><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/3/29 Sam Cohen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com">sam@samcohen.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I understand the logic in what you're saying, but it makes me wonder whether or not in the real world, big site developers who are now building complex sites in Drupal 6, with lots of customization, are building into their fees and being upfront with clients about what it's going to cost to upgrade that site to Drupal 7. <br>
<br>And you can't tell me this is a small cost for anything but the simplest sites. How many hours of work were required to take Drupal.org to Drupal 6?<br><br>Sam<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/3/29 Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Alex@zivtech.com" target="_blank">Alex@zivtech.com</a>></span><div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div>> Whatever that figure is, there certainly tens if not hundreds of<br>> thousands of D5 sites out there, and as mentioned, many of them are<br>
> large sites owned by large entities. My guess is that a very large<br>
> percentage, if not the majority, do not have a strong interest in<br>> upgrading. That's just my guess.<br><br></div>I highly, highly doubt that this is true. If you are a "large entity" running a "large site" then you are almost certainly going to update as often as you need to in order to keep your site alive and healthy. Even those dinosaurs that refuses to update ie6 are constantly forced to update almost every other piece of software and hardware, most often around ideas of EoL and support. <br>
<br>It's the small sites that we're talking about here, really. Any big site that doesn't update <i>deserves </i>whatever bad things happen to their site. If you can't be bothered to put locks on your house, don't be surprised when someone breaks in, espescially when your house is accessible from almost anywhere on earth.<br>
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aim: zivtech</font><div><div></div><div><br><br><br>On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Fred Jones <<a href="mailto:fredthejonester@gmail.com" target="_blank">fredthejonester@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>
> >> When D7 gets released, the community will support D7 and D6.<br>
> >><br>> >> D5 support will be dropped at that juncture.<br>> ><br>> > Who gets to say what "the community" will do?<br>> ><br>> > Because Drupal has expanded a lot over recent years and has been adopted by<br>
> > some big sites - surely there is a stronger argument than in the past for<br>> > longer term support.<br>> ><br>> > So maybe the existing security team won't take it on - but if there are<br>
> > enough people in the community who do want to support D5 for longer then I<br>> > can't see why anyone else in the community would want to prevent this.<br>><br>> I have wondered the same thing. How many more D5 sites are there than<br>
> D4? A factor of 10, 100 or 1000? Very hard to say I think but there<br>> are a few facts about core downloads at least here<br>> <a href="http://buytaert.net/drupal-download-statistics-2008" target="_blank">http://buytaert.net/drupal-download-statistics-2008</a><br>
><br>> Whatever that figure is, there certainly tens if not hundreds of<br>> thousands of D5 sites out there, and as mentioned, many of them are<br>> large sites owned by large entities. My guess is that a very large<br>
> percentage, if not the majority, do not have a strong interest in<br>> upgrading. That's just my guess.<br>><br>> Fred<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> consulting mailing list<br>
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