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1. Re: Does anyone offer Drupal performance tuning services?<br>
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2. Re: Does anyone offer Drupal performance tuning services?<br>
(Domenic Santangelo)<br>
3. Re: Does anyone offer Drupal performance tuning services?<br>
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 15:03:43 -0400<br>
From: Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg <Alex@ZivTech.com><br>
Subject: Re: [consulting] Does anyone offer Drupal performance tuning<br>
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Like Greg said, if you can find someone willing to do this for a flat fee,<br>
then I'd love to hear more about it. As far as I can tell, there are far too<br>
many variables to make it possible to estimate accurately up front. If I<br>
were trying to figure out a fixed price I'd personally try to think about<br>
what the highest possible price could be, and then charge that price.<br>
Otherwise, you are asking the consultant to take a considerable financial<br>
risk.<br>
<br>
As Khalid mentioned, many shops that handle scaling will offer you more of a<br>
fixed price if they control the servers, which seems reasonable.<br>
<br>
I, for one, think that you are seriously undervaluing server and general<br>
LAMP stack support, but maybe I'm not understanding what you are looking<br>
for. What do you mean by, for example, "Load Balancing"? That makes it seem<br>
to me that you are talking about scaling a site that requires more than one<br>
server, but given the budgets you seem to be working with, that doesn't seem<br>
like a good assumption (someone who requires more than one server should be<br>
able to afford to pay market rates to get it done correctly).<br>
<br>
So, my question is: what exactly are the problems that you are facing that<br>
require a server/scaling specialist?<br>
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On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Sam Cohen <<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com">sam@samcohen.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Thanks Greg,<br>
><br>
> I understand there are a lot of firms offering this service, but what I'm<br>
> really hoping for is someone who had a deep understanding of server and<br>
> performance issues and can spend a couple of hours analyzing a site and<br>
> making adjustments.<br>
><br>
> I'm not looking for a large shop that will charge thousands of dollars for<br>
> this service, but a consultant who has expertise in this area and would<br>
> charge fair market value for a few hours of their time.<br>
><br>
> By flat rate, I mean a willingness to give a price upfront based on the<br>
> site specs and hosting situation.<br>
><br>
> Perhaps I'm wrong, but it seems that someone with this expertise, might be<br>
> charging somewhere in $50 to $100 an hour range, and in just a couple of<br>
> hours they should be able to accomplish quite a lot for a site.<br>
><br>
> This would be a really valuable service for those of us in the biz who<br>
> might be very knowledgeable in other areas but don't know much about<br>
> servers, bottlenecks, load balance, etc -- and don't really want to learn<br>
> either.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Sam<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Greg Knaddison <<br>
> <a href="mailto:Greg@growingventuresolutions.com">Greg@growingventuresolutions.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> We hit this topic less than a month ago -<br>
>> <a href="http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/consulting/2009-March/003088.html" target="_blank">http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/consulting/2009-March/003088.html</a><br>
>><br>
>> And read the followups as well.<br>
>><br>
>> Also, charging for performance tuning as a flat rate is pretty<br>
>> interesting. If you find anyone who takes that arrangement please<br>
>> write back to the list about the experience.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> Greg<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Sam Cohen <<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com">sam@samcohen.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > Does anyone out there offer a Drupal performance site and server tuning<br>
>> > service -- for a flat rate?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Ideally this would include analyzing a site, making changes to the site<br>
>> and<br>
>> > server as needed in order to improve performance.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I think this service would probably be useful to a lot of us, but I<br>
>> > understand there's that concern about sharing rates over an email list,<br>
>> so<br>
>> > please email me privately with what you would include and what you would<br>
>> > charge for such a service.<br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Greg Knaddison<br>
>> <a href="http://knaddison.com" target="_blank">http://knaddison.com</a> | 303-800-5623 | <a href="http://growingventuresolutions.com" target="_blank">http://growingventuresolutions.com</a><br>
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:04:03 -0700<br>
From: Domenic Santangelo <<a href="mailto:domenic@workhabit.com">domenic@workhabit.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [consulting] Does anyone offer Drupal performance tuning<br>
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On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Sam Cohen <<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com">sam@samcohen.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I'm not looking for a large shop that will charge thousands of dollars for<br>
> this service, but a consultant who has expertise in this area and would<br>
> charge fair market value for a few hours of their time.<br>
<br>
Whoever you end up is going to have to do some hardcore expectation<br>
management with you. A couple hours may be enough time to look through<br>
and tweak some basic things and perhaps write up some areas that seem<br>
like bottlenecks for you to take a look at on your own. What's unclear<br>
to me is:<br>
<br>
1) What are the pain points that prompted you to want performance work<br>
done? Be specific: "homepage load time 4x slower for logged-in users<br>
than for anonymous" etc<br>
<br>
2) Given your answers to #1, what are your metrics of success? What<br>
could this person you hire address (in terms of what you said in #1)<br>
in order for you to be satisfied?<br>
<br>
<br>
> charging somewhere in $50 to $100 an hour range, and in just a couple of<br>
> hours they should be able to accomplish quite a lot for a site.<br>
<br>
I don't know what specifically it is you're looking for so this may be<br>
premature, but I want to prepare you for reality: a "couple hours"<br>
will probably get you close to nothing in terms of usable results<br>
unless something is critically misconfigured right now. Otherwise what<br>
you'll (probably) end up with is a couple simple things done (opcode<br>
cache installed, Apache configuration optimization) and a list of<br>
things you should do ASAP. Keep in mind, stack performance is greatly<br>
dependent on the application running on it. I run all the sites I<br>
develop on my local box, with the same configuration, all on Drupal<br>
and I think all on D5 right now -- and some pageload in <1 sec and<br>
some in >8 sec. Same stack, same CMS framework, it's the application.<br>
<br>
Anyway, just kind of rambling on a Sunday now. Let us know what your<br>
answers are and maybe we can point you in a good direction.<br>
<br>
-D<br>
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:44:43 -0400<br>
From: Sam Cohen <<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com">sam@samcohen.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [consulting] Does anyone offer Drupal performance tuning<br>
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On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg<br>
<<a href="mailto:Alex@zivtech.com">Alex@zivtech.com</a>>wrote:<br>
<br>
> Like Greg said, if you can find someone willing to do this for a flat fee,<br>
> then I'd love to hear more about it. As far as I can tell, there are far too<br>
> many variables to make it possible to estimate accurately up front. If I<br>
> were trying to figure out a fixed price I'd personally try to think about<br>
> what the highest possible price could be, and then charge that price.<br>
> Otherwise, you are asking the consultant to take a considerable financial<br>
> risk.<br>
><br>
> As Khalid mentioned, many shops that handle scaling will offer you more of<br>
> a fixed price if they control the servers, which seems reasonable.<br>
><br>
> I, for one, think that you are seriously undervaluing server and general<br>
> LAMP stack support, but maybe I'm not understanding what you are looking<br>
> for. What do you mean by, for example, "Load Balancing"? That makes it seem<br>
> to me that you are talking about scaling a site that requires more than one<br>
> server, but given the budgets you seem to be working with, that doesn't seem<br>
> like a good assumption (someone who requires more than one server should be<br>
> able to afford to pay market rates to get it done correctly).<br>
><br>
> So, my question is: what exactly are the problems that you are facing that<br>
> require a server/scaling specialist?<br>
><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
The scenario here is a D6 site on a VPS with a lot of modules that is quite<br>
sluggish. What I'd hope someone can accomplish in a couple of hours would<br>
be to analyze all server and software configs to see if anything can be<br>
installed or tweaked to improve performance. This might include MySQL, PHP,<br>
Apache settings -- or even if there's any unecessary software on the VPS<br>
than can be disabled or tweaked. And installing anything that might help.<br>
There's a lot of information out there on ways to do this yourself, but I'd<br>
rather hire someone who knows what they are doing to take care of it. I'd<br>
also like them, if it's possible, to be able to test the VPS to make sure<br>
that it's performing as well as it should be.<br>
<br>
As for the site, I imagine that this person can use devel module to analyze<br>
the query queue and perhaps make some suggestions -- maybe there's a poorly<br>
written module that's eating up a lot of resources. Maybe there's a<br>
caching module I overlooked. Maybe there's alternate approaches to getting<br>
the job done that wouldn't use as many resources.<br>
<br>
It seems to me someone should be able to accomplish a lot in these two areas<br>
in a few hours -- and it would be a great service I'd love to be able to<br>
offer to my clients.<br>
<br>
(As for load balancing, my thinking there was with regard to a managed<br>
dedicated server I run that has about 30 drupal sites. My thinking was that<br>
such a person might know ways to install software that would allow me to<br>
balance the load so that one site wouldn't be using up more resources -- or<br>
at least help me analyze what resources each site is using.)<br>
<br>
Maybe I'm wrong, but it does seem like for a fixed rate for a few hours<br>
someone who knows what they are doing should be able to accomplish a lot and<br>
make recommendations for going forward. It would also be nice to have such<br>
a person available as a site grows and if it needs to scale.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Sam<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg<br>
> ZivTech, LLC<br>
> <a href="http://zivtech.com" target="_blank">http://zivtech.com</a><br>
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> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Sam Cohen <<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com">sam@samcohen.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Thanks Greg,<br>
>><br>
>> I understand there are a lot of firms offering this service, but what I'm<br>
>> really hoping for is someone who had a deep understanding of server and<br>
>> performance issues and can spend a couple of hours analyzing a site and<br>
>> making adjustments.<br>
>><br>
>> I'm not looking for a large shop that will charge thousands of dollars for<br>
>> this service, but a consultant who has expertise in this area and would<br>
>> charge fair market value for a few hours of their time.<br>
>><br>
>> By flat rate, I mean a willingness to give a price upfront based on the<br>
>> site specs and hosting situation.<br>
>><br>
>> Perhaps I'm wrong, but it seems that someone with this expertise, might be<br>
>> charging somewhere in $50 to $100 an hour range, and in just a couple of<br>
>> hours they should be able to accomplish quite a lot for a site.<br>
>><br>
>> This would be a really valuable service for those of us in the biz who<br>
>> might be very knowledgeable in other areas but don't know much about<br>
>> servers, bottlenecks, load balance, etc -- and don't really want to learn<br>
>> either.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> Sam<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Greg Knaddison <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:Greg@growingventuresolutions.com">Greg@growingventuresolutions.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> We hit this topic less than a month ago -<br>
>>> <a href="http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/consulting/2009-March/003088.html" target="_blank">http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/consulting/2009-March/003088.html</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> And read the followups as well.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Also, charging for performance tuning as a flat rate is pretty<br>
>>> interesting. If you find anyone who takes that arrangement please<br>
>>> write back to the list about the experience.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Regards,<br>
>>> Greg<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Sam Cohen <<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com">sam@samcohen.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> > Does anyone out there offer a Drupal performance site and server tuning<br>
>>> > service -- for a flat rate?<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Ideally this would include analyzing a site, making changes to the site<br>
>>> and<br>
>>> > server as needed in order to improve performance.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > I think this service would probably be useful to a lot of us, but I<br>
>>> > understand there's that concern about sharing rates over an email list,<br>
>>> so<br>
>>> > please email me privately with what you would include and what you<br>
>>> would<br>
>>> > charge for such a service.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Greg Knaddison<br>
>>> <a href="http://knaddison.com" target="_blank">http://knaddison.com</a> | 303-800-5623 | <a href="http://growingventuresolutions.com" target="_blank">http://growingventuresolutions.com</a><br>
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