Here I've got to agree with Sam! Payment of monies implies labor sold and bought.<br><br>But where Sam and I differ is that the way to monitor employers (and for employees to control employers) should be intrinsic to the work itself.<br>
<br>The separation: go and code "X" for me, has been proven (due to its kinship with the waterfall approach to software development process) to be a recipe for failure.<br><br>The only way software can be done successfully, even if you're in the same room, is for horizontal, cooperative coordination in the work itself, including frequent build / integration.<br>
<br>This breaks the "coder coding for hours alone in the cubicle" bullshit in itself.<br><br>Anyway,<br><br>>>EOdiscussion I think, at least for me :)<br><br>Victor Kane<br><a href="http://awebfactory.com.ar">http://awebfactory.com.ar</a><br>
<a href="http://projectflowandtracker.com">http://projectflowandtracker.com</a><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Sam Cohen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com">sam@samcohen.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Brian Vuyk <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brian@brianvuyk.com" target="_blank">brian@brianvuyk.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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On 05/05/2009 04:13 PM, Sam Cohen wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">In traditional work environments the "boss" was able to
monitor the
worker because the worker was on the premises. If the worker didn't
show up for work they weren't paid or they were fired. <br>
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In a virtual environment there needs to be someway to monitor
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This is the problem.<br>
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My client is not my boss. I am not my client's employee.<div><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><div>This is a semantic difference -- if you are buying a service, if you are hiring a lawyer, accountant, contractor, whatever, it's an exchange. I'm giving money in return for a service received. Just as the person being paid has a right to ensure they receive their money, the person paying for the service, has a right to ensure they are receiving what they are paying for. <br>
<br>If it's based on a certain outcome then this isn't an issue. But if I'm hiring someone to do something hourly and they are at a remote location, then I need some way to know they are working. <br><br>This doesn't make them inferior to me. Just as my putting the money in escrow makes me inferior to them. <br>
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