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Superwoman,<br>
<br>
Your problems were discussed at our last Drupal meeting here in
Melbourne Australia. We noted that you had an Australian email address
but we don't know what city you are in. No one at the meeting had been
involved, other than reading this discussion, or at least no one was
owning up to being involved. What city are you in? Were all these
developers in the same city as you or were some of them contracted over
the Internet?<br>
<br>
The one advice that you have had that we think was good advice was to
use Drupal. Of course, we're biased but I still believe that it was
good advice.<br>
<br>
After 30 years in programming, the one thing I still cannot do well is
quote how long a project will take. Each project turns out to be too
different to the ones before to utilize the previous experience.
Inexperienced programmers often don't understand how difficult this
is. <br>
<br>
This doesn't excuse the developers that you've used. Once they quote,
they need to stick to it or at least refund the deposit if they can't.<br>
<br>
I'd like to help if I can. If you think that a Melbourne based Drupal
Developer would be of assistance please contact me. My details are as
follows:<br>
<br>
For email please compose address using the following:<br>
Domain (ie part after the @ is): ozvalue.com<br>
Name: (ie part before the @ is): ken<br>
Phone (afternoons or evenings) is (03) 9809 2083<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Ken<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:superwoman@superwoman.org.au">superwoman@superwoman.org.au</a> wrote:
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type="cite">
<title>Re: [consulting] (no subject)</title>
<font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Michaal,<br>
<br>
Thats good input and I have tried to go down that path though the past
developers all insisted on 50%.<br>
<br>
I even referenced checked the last programmer who is closely linked to
the drupal network in Australia but he took 4 months to tell me he
didnt understand the project though his initial scope was 2 weeks work.<br>
<br>
Honestly it a simple site and I was looking for a little input into the
best way to set the navigation as it has some Call to action logins
required to get all the information.<br>
<br>
To be honest it was simply the developers lack of contact and
consistent time delays where no work was performed, and then after all
that time to then demand more funds I find unacceptable, if done in a
more timely manner I would understand this.<br>
<br>
In terms of the developers fior those who wanted to know, all where
given over 90 m in utes briefing face to face, full psd files and
detail into the functionality of the site (which included, easily
udatable and uploadable flash files, a login to member info and
database repository for client information who complete online forms
showing interest in the service, other features included being able to
email to that database and structre the database to know which clients
and interested in different services)<br>
<br>
</span></font>
<ol>
<li><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span
style="font-size: 12px;">was a php developer built the site straight
from code then site crashed and he told me he couldnt fix it
</span></font></li>
<li><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span
style="font-size: 12px;">2nd developer told me to go with drupal – he
took the original spec and drupalled it – then abandoned for a bigger
project wih yahoo. Third developer said the ftp of the 2nd was
corrupted and had to start from scratch.
</span></font></li>
<li><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span
style="font-size: 12px;">third developer (also confirmed by the 4th
developer) did not have the skill to theme the site and build the
required database i wanted. She bailed because it was over her head. </span></font></li>
<li><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span
style="font-size: 12px;">#4, i referenced checked gave him all the
details and access codes and said to him do u want an RFD i will
complete one at your guidance, he said lets co-ordinate a meeting and I
will take your past project notes and also take a brief from our
discussion which went for 90 minutes after the first meting where my
general requirements were discussed. I put myself in this professionals
hand referenced checked him and waited over 1 month for him to complete
the worked he spec’d 2 max 3 weeks this the turned into 4 months where
over some periods i heard nothing for over 3 weeks. Then i was asked
for more money to complete after we had agreed to a contract and a
fixed price agreement. Now he have given me the option of paying more,
refunding the deposit, or giving me the work he has done for the 50%
deposit. But really - shouldnt i just receive the finished product?
Hwy should i wait 4 months to be told this,, how does it give me any
confidence i will receive a finished product after another 4 months?...
Hence I need to find someone who can do what they ay they can and by a
deined date.<br>
</span></font></li>
</ol>
<font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size: 12px;"><br>
I will be emailing those who have taken interest in the work shortly.<br>
<br>
B<br>
<br>
<br>
On 10/5/09 4:02 AM, "Michael Thorne" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michael@openchimp.com"><michael@openchimp.com></a>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</span></font>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span
style="font-size: 12px;">Superwoman ... <br>
<br>
I would strongly advise that you put together a thorough RFP in which
you detail the requirements of the project, pointing to sites that
offer the features that you want to see on your site, and post it
somewhere like on a google doc that you can point people to. That way
you'll get a lot of eyes looking over the project, and you'lll be much
more likely to get contacted by developers who are ready and capable of
handling what your project requires. Surely, after hiring 4 developers
and giving them the down payment to start work, you must have a very
clear vision of the project, right? <br>
<br>
Another thing to consider ... If you still don't have a clear project
proposal, detailing all of the deliverables, then before you pay the
50% down, you may want to start the process by paying someone an hourly
consultation rate until they provide you with evidence that they have a
clear vision for what your website will be. That will give both of you
time to assess each other while not making a large commitment. By the
time the developer is ready to begin real design and/or development
work, you'll know how good their communication skills are and whether
they really understand the needs of your project.<br>
<br>
Good luck.<br>
<br>
Michael<br>
<b>Open Chimp<br>
</b></span><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10px;"><i>evolving
the internet through open source drupal websites<br>
</i></span></font><span style="font-size: 12px;"><br>
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<br>
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Mehboob Alam <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:malam@thinkx.com"><malam@thinkx.com></a>
wrote:<br>
</span></font>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span
style="font-size: 12px;">"Fool me once, shame on you.." scenario comes
to mind.. after the third time, the client should look inward and
figure out what they might be doing wrong. It takes both sides working
to make a project successful.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Sam Cohen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com"><sam@samcohen.com></a>
wrote:<br>
</span></font>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span
style="font-size: 12px;">Ok, first developer situation goes bad -- and
unfortunate.<br>
<br>
The second goes bad, less common, but it happens.<br>
<br>
Four contracts with four developers, four 50% deposits, and the site
still isn't live. <br>
<br>
Well, something is seriously wrong here. <br>
<br>
I'd be curious for you to share more details about the situation.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Sam<br>
</font><br>
<br>
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Ashish Gupta
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ashish.gupta@tekritisoftware.com"><ashish.gupta@tekritisoftware.com></a> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span
style="font-size: 12px;">Hi Superwoman, not sure if you got my mail.
Please send across the details<br>
of the project to me as well so that we can take the discussion further.<br>
<br>
Thanks & Regards,<br>
<br>
Ashish Gupta<br>
Vice President - Business Development<br>
<br>
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Subject: Re: [consulting] (no subject)<br>
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No condescending tone from me pity u took it that way. Im just
frustrated.<br>
<br>
Thanks for the offer brian I will send an email off the post with a more<br>
detailed explanation.<br>
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