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On 06/18/2009 11:20 AM, Christoph Weber wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Safari is a standards-compliant browser (for the most part, anyway)
and hence supporting it ought to be a non-issue. Furthermore, its v.3
and v.4 are current and supported, regardless of statistics
percentage.
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I never suggested Safari needed extra work to make a site work well
with it. However, many of my clients explicitly specify that the site
needs to be compliant with it, even at a 5% market share. IE6 is that
much more important to them with a 15-25% market share.<br>
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<pre wrap="">IE6 is not standards-compliant by any stretch of the imagination. It
has been superseded by IE7 and IE8 which are incrementally better.
These two facts change the whole equation: Support of IE6 is only
driven by usage statistics, and there is the temptation to nudge
remaining users by delivering a degraded experience.
As to your original question: The decision whether to fully or
partially support IE6 rests entirely with the site owner and project
manager, and largely depends on the target audience. As a
developer/designer we can only supply facts and arguments supporting a
for/against decision.
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This totally misses my original question - at what point do you imagine
the site owners / project managers will stop worrying about IE6?<br>
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<pre wrap="">My approach is to make my sites first pass all (or most) standards
validations and then worry about IE in its various incarnations.
I despise with a passion sites coded to support specific, named
browsers (with the exception of IE workarounds). We have standards for
a reason.
My 2 cts.
Christoph
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Brian Vuyk<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:brian@brianvuyk.com"><brian@brianvuyk.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I was just looking at statistics regarding browser usage.
W3Schools shows IE6 usage at 14.5% last month:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp">http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp</a>
W3Counter shows IE6 at 24.84% last month:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php">http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php</a>
Regardless of what the true usage is, all these statistics indicate that
it's usage is dropping, although not particularly fast.
At what percentage point do you think people will start to consider IE6 to
be not worth supporting anymore? I know a lot of developers feel that we are
past that point already due to how obsolete IE6 is. However, most clients
I've dealt with insist that Safari be supported with ~5% of the market
share, and IE6 even more so.
Thoughts?
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