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color:#1F497D'>Well the percentage of ie usage maybe coming down, but we are
yet to discuss a project where ie6 compatibility was not in scope. In very time
constrained project the clients sometimes puts ie6 compatibility on a lower
priority allowing a launch with some IE6 issues, which get fixed post launch. Some
clients are fine with minor ie6 look issues as long as the functionalities,
navigation & usability goes on smoothly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Quite agree with Ashraf, though ie6 is a pain its not such a big
issue that we should look at ignoring ie6 compatibility altogether (given that
it still is three times more popular that the browsers creating a buzz such as
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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[mailto:consulting-bounces@drupal.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ashraf Amayreh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 18 June 2009 21:38<br>
<b>To:</b> A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [consulting] At what percentage do you think most new sites
will stop supporting IE6?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>> The problem we have with
IE6 is a lot more than CSS compatibility. It's poor JS performance, PNG
incompatibility, etc, etc. makes it hard to work with. I <br>
> know there are patches for everything but it's extra work and since
January we started to charge more for making sites IE6 compatible.<br>
<br>
> Seeing how charts are doing, I'm pretty confident that at the end of the
year IE6 will stop being considered on about 50% of new projects.<br>
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I kind of doubt that. CSS compatibility is the biggest issue and I'm hoping the
reset.css will be the solution. JS performance is a new one for me, it used to
be JS incompatibilities but with JQuery that's no longer an issue. PNG
compatibility is again an issue, but in Drupal, with modules like pngfix it is
as simple as enabling the module and identifying the img tag's wrapper's ID or
CLASS.<br>
<br>
I definitely despise ie6, but the points above are diminishing and I think
you've quite overrated them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Ivan Soto <<a
href="mailto:ivansotof@gmail.com">ivansotof@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>HI, (I'm new here)<br>
<br>
The problem we have with IE6 is a lot more than CSS compatibility. It's poor JS
performance, PNG incompatibility, etc, etc. makes it hard to work with. I know
there are patches for everything but it's extra work and since January we
started to charge more for making sites IE6 compatible.<br>
<br>
Seeing how charts are doing, I'm pretty confident that at the end of the year
IE6 will stop being considered on about 50% of new projects.<br>
<span style='color:#888888'><br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Ashraf Amayreh <<a
href="mailto:mistknight@gmail.com" target="_blank">mistknight@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hello all,<br>
<br>
Has anyone come across reset.css files? I've only recently been acquainted with
the concept, but surprisingly enough, almost all new sites we coded where we've
used the reset.css have passed ie6 with no to little modifications. Read this:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/css/reset/" target="_blank">http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/css/reset/</a><br>
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Hope it helps.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Darrel O'Pry <<a
href="mailto:darrel.opry@gmail.com" target="_blank">darrel.opry@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I don't think it will be a percentage point that changes the support
requirement. I think it will be a price point. I'd go about testing it by
adding additional cost for each browser the project support with higher costs
for deprecated or non-compliant browsers and see what the market will bear.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jun 18, 2009 10:32 AM,
"Brian Vuyk" <<a href="mailto:brian@brianvuyk.com" target="_blank">brian@brianvuyk.com</a>>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I was just looking at statistics regarding browser usage. <br>
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W3Schools shows IE6 usage at 14.5% last month: <a
href="http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp" target="_blank">http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp</a><br>
W3Counter shows IE6 at 24.84% last month: <a
href="http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php" target="_blank">http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php</a><br>
<br>
Regardless of what the true usage is, all these statistics indicate that it's
usage is dropping, although not particularly fast.<br>
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At what percentage point do you think people will start to consider IE6 to be
not worth supporting anymore? I know a lot of developers feel that we are past
that point already due to how obsolete IE6 is. However, most clients I've dealt
with insist that Safari be supported with ~5% of the market share, and IE6 even
more so.<br>
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Thoughts?<span style='color:#888888'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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