And the hourly rate of the proud winner of the Drupal 5 odesk certification test, referred to in the referred associative tweet?<div><br></div><div>USD $19 / hour.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.odesk.com/exams/Certified-HTML-Designers_24005">http://www.odesk.com/exams/Certified-HTML-Designers_24005</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>Victor Kane</div><div><a href="http://awebfactory.com.ar">http://awebfactory.com.ar</a><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Victor Kane <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:victorkane@gmail.com">victorkane@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Correct, Laura, that is the way it should be.<div><br></div><div>However, Kieran has written articles plugging the odesk certification and calling for help and opinions on it, in the paid Drupal services forum while speaking in an official capacity, to which we have made reference approximately a year ago on this mailing list.</div>
<div><br></div><div>To show that is not a fluke, and that the odesk certification program, which seems to have replaced the "yellow jerseys" approach, check out twitter:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://twitter.com/amazonk/status/2529341418" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/amazonk/status/2529341418</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>The Drupal Association wants there to be a certfication program, and moves actively towards getting it done.</div><div><br></div><div>Would love to be wrong.</div><div><br></div><div>Victor Kane</div>
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<a href="http://awebfactory.com.ar" target="_blank">http://awebfactory.com.ar</a><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Laura <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pinglaura@gmail.com" target="_blank">pinglaura@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">The Drupal Association does not provide certification, and has enough to do already without getting involved in matters best handled by the community at large.<br>
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On Aug 6, 2009, at Thu 8/6/09 3:58pm, Victor Kane wrote:<br>
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Really fascinating how this whole thread starts out implicitly dealing with how to defend the interests of website application developers, and ends up identifying with how best to help the employers commoditize our services.<br>
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For Kieran Lal, who is a great guy and a selfless Drupal activist, the answer, however, for the audience he is tuned towards is the hideously exploitative odesk (who control your screen while you work) which is "a great place to find certified and experienced Drupal talent." As I recall the Drupal Association had something to do with their "certification" program.<br>
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<a href="http://www.odesk.com/users/?q=drupal" target="_blank">http://www.odesk.com/users/?q=drupal</a> shows people offering Drupal services for USD $15 / hour.<br>
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Couldn't find Kieran's article on the Drupal Association site anymore, but Google cache has it:<br>
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<a href="http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:3qt1i9jtm_wJ:association.drupal.org/node/398+kieran+odesk+site:association.drupal.org&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ar&lr=lang_en&client=firefox-a" target="_blank">http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:3qt1i9jtm_wJ:association.drupal.org/node/398+kieran+odesk+site:association.drupal.org&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ar&lr=lang_en&client=firefox-a</a><br>
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No, not a certification program. We need a union.<br>
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Victor Kane<br>
<a href="http://awebfactory.com.ar" target="_blank">http://awebfactory.com.ar</a><br>
<a href="http://projectflowandtracker.com" target="_blank">http://projectflowandtracker.com</a><br>
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On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Domenic Santangelo <<a href="mailto:domenic@workhabit.com" target="_blank">domenic@workhabit.com</a>> wrote:<br>
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Kevin Stanek <<a href="mailto:kevins@qfeinc.com" target="_blank">kevins@qfeinc.com</a>> wrote:<br>
Probably cuz thats just a bottomless, endless can of worms. Look at your typical certification exams. [...]<br>
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You guys are talking implementation details. Making sure MCSE-style silliness doesn't occur should be a goal, but it doesn't make sense to dismiss the concept because someone else did it in a way you don't like.<br>
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