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1. Re: consulting Digest, Vol 43, Issue 25 (<a href="mailto:claudian@webaccess.co.in">claudian@webaccess.co.in</a>)<br>
2. Re: Drupal Certification (Tom Geller)<br>
3. Re: Drupal Certification (Sam Cohen)<br>
4. list moderator, please help (Laura)<br>
5. The question isnt if it's how (Dane Ensign)<br>
6. Re: Drupal Certification (Ayen Designs)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: 7 Aug 2009 22:02:20 +0530<br>
From: <a href="mailto:claudian@webaccess.co.in">claudian@webaccess.co.in</a><br>
Subject: Re: [consulting] consulting Digest, Vol 43, Issue 25<br>
To: <a href="mailto:consulting@drupal.org">consulting@drupal.org</a><br>
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Will be on vacation for the period 8th August - 23rd August. Please contact <a href="mailto:stephen.lobo@webaccess.co.in">stephen.lobo@webaccess.co.in</a> during this period for any work that requires immediate attention.<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:32:25 -0400<br>
From: Tom Geller <<a href="mailto:tom@tomgeller.com">tom@tomgeller.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [consulting] Drupal Certification<br>
To: <a href="mailto:consulting@drupal.org">consulting@drupal.org</a><br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:CC18F433-6F61-461D-9DA7-4B4F72D8C5BA@tomgeller.com">CC18F433-6F61-461D-9DA7-4B4F72D8C5BA@tomgeller.com</a>><br>
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Sam Cohen <<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com">sam@samcohen.com</a>> writes:<br>
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> I developed an online course for a nonprofit client (using Drupal of<br>
> Course)<br>
> and we stayed away from the word "certification" but did offer a<br>
> "certificate of completion" at the end.<br>
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That's exactly what Lynda.com does for my two Drupal courses: See <a href="http://www.lynda.com/home/CertificateOfCompletion/LearnMore.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.lynda.com/home/CertificateOfCompletion/LearnMore.aspx</a><br>
and <a href="http://www.lynda.com/home/ViewCourses.aspx?lpk0=413" target="_blank">http://www.lynda.com/home/ViewCourses.aspx?lpk0=413</a> .<br>
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--Tom, who sort-of-relevantly and by pure coincidence just finished<br>
rereading the Socialist novel, "The Jungle".<br>
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Tom Geller * Oberlin, Ohio * 415-317-1805<br>
Writer/Editor * <a href="http://www.tomgeller.com" target="_blank">http://www.tomgeller.com</a><br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:35:02 -0400<br>
From: Sam Cohen <<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com">sam@samcohen.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [consulting] Drupal Certification<br>
To: "A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting<br>
providers" <<a href="mailto:consulting@drupal.org">consulting@drupal.org</a>><br>
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On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Ayen Designs <<a href="mailto:info@ayendesigns.com">info@ayendesigns.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I think they might seem to sound the same at the start, but I don't look at<br>
> a Certified Public Account being the same as someone with an accounting<br>
> certificate. Usually, certification (for a professional job) follows any<br>
> degree work, whether officially or just naturally. A 'certificate' is<br>
> typically one step below an Associate degree.<br>
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I think you are undervaluing certificates. Especially when it comes to<br>
continuing education for professionals -- the course I built qualified for<br>
CEU credits for social workers -- and they were glad to have the<br>
certificate.<br>
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Lots of top universities offer certificates in things like nonprofit<br>
management and organization development, that are highly valued.<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:35:27 -0600<br>
From: Laura <<a href="mailto:pinglaura@gmail.com">pinglaura@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [consulting] list moderator, please help<br>
To: <a href="mailto:claudian.fernandes@webaccess.co.in">claudian.fernandes@webaccess.co.in</a>, A list for Drupal consultants<br>
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Can a list administrator suspend Claudian's autoresponding email<br>
subscription? I don't think we want more of these over the next 16<br>
days. -Laura<br>
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On Aug 7, 2009, at Fri 8/7/09 10:32am, <a href="mailto:claudian@webaccess.co.in">claudian@webaccess.co.in</a> wrote:<br>
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> Will be on vacation for the period 8th August - 23rd August. Please<br>
> contact <a href="mailto:stephen.lobo@webaccess.co.in">stephen.lobo@webaccess.co.in</a> during this period for any work<br>
> that requires immediate attention.<br>
><br>
> Thanks<br>
> Claudian<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:49:01 -0600<br>
From: Dane Ensign <<a href="mailto:dane@deepsnow.us">dane@deepsnow.us</a>><br>
Subject: [consulting] The question isnt if it's how<br>
To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers<br>
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I think the answer is an open-standards knowledge/portfolio spec.<br>
Adhere it or dont, the choice is yours.<br>
The need is here, and an open spec is a fair responsible way to do it.<br>
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Dane<br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:50:51 -0400<br>
From: Ayen Designs <<a href="mailto:info@ayendesigns.com">info@ayendesigns.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [consulting] Drupal Certification<br>
To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers<br>
<<a href="mailto:consulting@drupal.org">consulting@drupal.org</a>><br>
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No, I understand the value of them, and agree that they are valuable.<br>
What I meant--sorry if it was lost in my choice of wording--was that if<br>
I send someone to a Drupal class, and they get a Certificate of<br>
Completion, that's not comparable, as an inference, to Certified Drupal<br>
Developer, or Joe Bloggs, CDD. To put it another way, if the fact that<br>
someone has Certification is not to be viewed by the customer as having<br>
high meaning, then it becomes an education tool and should not be a<br>
marketing tool.<br>
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Sam Cohen wrote:<br>
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> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Ayen Designs <<a href="mailto:info@ayendesigns.com">info@ayendesigns.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:info@ayendesigns.com">info@ayendesigns.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I think they might seem to sound the same at the start, but I<br>
> don't look at a Certified Public Account being the same as someone<br>
> with an accounting certificate. Usually, certification (for a<br>
> professional job) follows any degree work, whether officially or<br>
> just naturally. A 'certificate' is typically one step below an<br>
> Associate degree.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I think you are undervaluing certificates. Especially when it comes to<br>
> continuing education for professionals -- the course I built qualified<br>
> for CEU credits for social workers -- and they were glad to have the<br>
> certificate.<br>
><br>
> Lots of top universities offer certificates in things like nonprofit<br>
> management and organization development, that are highly valued.<br>
><br>
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