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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Patrick Ryan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:patrick@nianow.com">patrick@nianow.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:51 AM,  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:consulting-request@drupal.org" target="_blank">consulting-request@drupal.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">


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   1. Re: consulting Digest, Vol 43, Issue 25 (<a href="mailto:claudian@webaccess.co.in" target="_blank">claudian@webaccess.co.in</a>)<br>
   2. Re: Drupal Certification (Tom Geller)<br>
   3. Re: Drupal Certification (Sam Cohen)<br>
   4. list moderator, please help (Laura)<br>
   5. The question isnt if it&#39;s how (Dane Ensign)<br>
   6. Re: Drupal Certification (Ayen Designs)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: 7 Aug 2009 22:02:20 +0530<br>
From: <a href="mailto:claudian@webaccess.co.in" target="_blank">claudian@webaccess.co.in</a><br>
Subject: Re: [consulting] consulting Digest, Vol 43, Issue 25<br>
To: <a href="mailto:consulting@drupal.org" target="_blank">consulting@drupal.org</a><br>
Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:20090807163220.7774.qmail@webaccess.co.in" target="_blank">20090807163220.7774.qmail@webaccess.co.in</a>&gt;<br>
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Will be on vacation for the period 8th August - 23rd August. Please contact <a href="mailto:stephen.lobo@webaccess.co.in" target="_blank">stephen.lobo@webaccess.co.in</a> during this period for any work that requires immediate attention.<br>



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Thanks<br>
Claudian<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:32:25 -0400<br>
From: Tom Geller &lt;<a href="mailto:tom@tomgeller.com" target="_blank">tom@tomgeller.com</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [consulting] Drupal Certification<br>
To: <a href="mailto:consulting@drupal.org" target="_blank">consulting@drupal.org</a><br>
Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:CC18F433-6F61-461D-9DA7-4B4F72D8C5BA@tomgeller.com" target="_blank">CC18F433-6F61-461D-9DA7-4B4F72D8C5BA@tomgeller.com</a>&gt;<br>
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Sam Cohen &lt;<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com" target="_blank">sam@samcohen.com</a>&gt; writes:<br>
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&gt; I developed an online course for a nonprofit client (using Drupal of<br>
&gt; Course)<br>
&gt; and we stayed away from the word &quot;certification&quot; but did offer a<br>
&gt; &quot;certificate of completion&quot; at the end.<br>
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That&#39;s exactly what Lynda.com does for my two Drupal courses: See <a href="http://www.lynda.com/home/CertificateOfCompletion/LearnMore.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.lynda.com/home/CertificateOfCompletion/LearnMore.aspx</a><br>



  and <a href="http://www.lynda.com/home/ViewCourses.aspx?lpk0=413" target="_blank">http://www.lynda.com/home/ViewCourses.aspx?lpk0=413</a> .<br>
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--Tom, who sort-of-relevantly and by pure coincidence just finished<br>
rereading the Socialist novel, &quot;The Jungle&quot;.<br>
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---<br>
           Tom Geller  *  Oberlin, Ohio  *  415-317-1805<br>
              Writer/Editor * <a href="http://www.tomgeller.com" target="_blank">http://www.tomgeller.com</a><br>
     articles, marketing, training materials, user guides, books<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:35:02 -0400<br>
From: Sam Cohen &lt;<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com" target="_blank">sam@samcohen.com</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [consulting] Drupal Certification<br>
To: &quot;A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting<br>
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On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Ayen Designs &lt;<a href="mailto:info@ayendesigns.com" target="_blank">info@ayendesigns.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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&gt; I think they might seem to sound the same at the start, but I don&#39;t look at<br>
&gt; a Certified Public Account being the same as someone with an accounting<br>
&gt; certificate.  Usually, certification (for a professional job) follows any<br>
&gt; degree work, whether officially or just naturally. A &#39;certificate&#39; is<br>
&gt; typically one step below an Associate degree.<br>
<br>
<br>
I think you are undervaluing certificates. Especially when it comes to<br>
continuing education for professionals -- the course I built qualified for<br>
CEU credits for social workers -- and they were glad to have the<br>
certificate.<br>
<br>
Lots of top universities offer certificates in things like nonprofit<br>
management and organization development, that are highly valued.<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:35:27 -0600<br>
From: Laura &lt;<a href="mailto:pinglaura@gmail.com" target="_blank">pinglaura@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: [consulting] list moderator, please help<br>
To: <a href="mailto:claudian.fernandes@webaccess.co.in" target="_blank">claudian.fernandes@webaccess.co.in</a>, A list for Drupal consultants<br>
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Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:4FB08B2A-DA30-446D-A813-E9B4FAB3F9F0@gmail.com" target="_blank">4FB08B2A-DA30-446D-A813-E9B4FAB3F9F0@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
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Can a list administrator suspend Claudian&#39;s autoresponding email<br>
subscription? I don&#39;t think we want more of these over the next 16<br>
days. -Laura<br>
<br>
On Aug 7, 2009, at Fri 8/7/09 10:32am, <a href="mailto:claudian@webaccess.co.in" target="_blank">claudian@webaccess.co.in</a> wrote:<br>
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&gt; Will be on vacation for the period 8th August - 23rd August. Please<br>
&gt; contact <a href="mailto:stephen.lobo@webaccess.co.in" target="_blank">stephen.lobo@webaccess.co.in</a> during this period for any work<br>
&gt; that requires immediate attention.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks<br>
&gt; Claudian<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; consulting mailing list<br>
&gt; <a href="mailto:consulting@drupal.org" target="_blank">consulting@drupal.org</a><br>
&gt; <a href="http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting" target="_blank">http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting</a><br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:49:01 -0600<br>
From: Dane Ensign &lt;<a href="mailto:dane@deepsnow.us" target="_blank">dane@deepsnow.us</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: [consulting] The question isnt if it&#39;s how<br>
To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers<br>
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I think the answer is an open-standards knowledge/portfolio spec.<br>
Adhere it or dont, the choice is yours.<br>
The need is here, and an open spec is a fair responsible way to do it.<br>
<br>
Dane<br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:50:51 -0400<br>
From: Ayen Designs &lt;<a href="mailto:info@ayendesigns.com" target="_blank">info@ayendesigns.com</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [consulting] Drupal Certification<br>
To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers<br>
        &lt;<a href="mailto:consulting@drupal.org" target="_blank">consulting@drupal.org</a>&gt;<br>
Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:4A7C5B6B.7050706@ayendesigns.com" target="_blank">4A7C5B6B.7050706@ayendesigns.com</a>&gt;<br>
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No, I understand the value of them, and agree that they are valuable.<br>
What I meant--sorry if it was lost in my choice of wording--was that if<br>
I send someone to a Drupal class, and they get a Certificate of<br>
Completion, that&#39;s not comparable, as an inference, to Certified Drupal<br>
Developer, or Joe Bloggs, CDD.  To put it another way, if the fact that<br>
someone has Certification is not to be viewed by the customer as having<br>
high meaning, then it becomes an education tool and should not be a<br>
marketing tool.<br>
<br>
Sam Cohen wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Ayen Designs &lt;<a href="mailto:info@ayendesigns.com" target="_blank">info@ayendesigns.com</a><br>
&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:info@ayendesigns.com" target="_blank">info@ayendesigns.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;     I think they might seem to sound the same at the start, but I<br>
&gt;     don&#39;t look at a Certified Public Account being the same as someone<br>
&gt;     with an accounting certificate.  Usually, certification (for a<br>
&gt;     professional job) follows any degree work, whether officially or<br>
&gt;     just naturally. A &#39;certificate&#39; is typically one step below an<br>
&gt;     Associate degree.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I think you are undervaluing certificates. Especially when it comes to<br>
&gt; continuing education for professionals -- the course I built qualified<br>
&gt; for CEU credits for social workers -- and they were glad to have the<br>
&gt; certificate.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Lots of top universities offer certificates in things like nonprofit<br>
&gt; management and organization development, that are highly valued.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
&gt;<br>
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--<br>
<br>
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404-271-9734<br>
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