+1 concrete form of international organization for developers who have nothing to sell but their labor.<div><br></div><div>Victor<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Alex@zivtech.com">Alex@zivtech.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">> Since the point is now to help folks get work and learn the trade, then this<br>> isn't a certification program, but a course.<br>
><br>> I think these are two different concepts. There are several courses & books<br>
> available to teach Drupal, which new developers with any initiative should<br>> already be looking up / researching. Why would we tie this to an official<br>> certification that is just going to inconvenience other veteran developers?<br>
<br></div>What I'd really like to see is a good definition of what it means to be a "Profressional" Drupal Developer and/or Shop, which I don't think is as simple as courses, since what we're really talking about is real world experience. I really think that we should be moving in the general direction that Victor points to, but I'm thinking more along the lines of how Trade Unions are run (i.e. there is a ladder to climb, mostly tied to experience, to achieve "master" status). The big issue with this would be the youth of the technology.<br>
<br>But still, what about a Drupal Developers/Shops Guild?<div class="im"><br><br>--<br>Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg<br>ZivTech, LLC<br><a href="http://zivtech.com" target="_blank">http://zivtech.com</a><br><a href="mailto:alex@zivtech.com" target="_blank">alex@zivtech.com</a><br>
office: (267) 940-7737<br>cell: (215) 866-8956<br>skype: zivtech<br>aim: zivtech<br><br><br><br></div><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Brian Vuyk<<a href="mailto:brian@brianvuyk.com" target="_blank">brian@brianvuyk.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I should have added this to my prior email, but I didn't see it until Alex's<br>
> reply...<br>><br>> Since the point is now to help folks get work and learn the trade, then this<br>> isn't a certification program, but a course.<br>><br>> I think these are two different concepts. There are several courses & books<br>
> available to teach Drupal, which new developers with any initiative should<br>> already be looking up / researching. Why would we tie this to an official<br>> certification that is just going to inconvenience other veteran developers?<br>
><br>> Brian<br>><br>> Victor Kane wrote:<br>>><br>>> I am a socialist, and I believe the workers should own the means of<br>>> production. Then it could make sense to form some kind of certification<br>
>> program to help folks get work and learn the trade when they are new, and to<br>>> create sustainable forms of communication so that those seeking services are<br>>> well served, and that the needs of the people are truly met.<br>
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