whoops that was meant for Victor, my bad.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Victor Kane <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:victorkane@gmail.com">victorkane@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Ah, now there you're talking (guild/union). That is not the same thing as a "certification" program run by corporations, discussion of which I thought you were defending on the basis of your interchange with Nancy.<div>
<br></div><div>So that would be a new thread (representing the interests of those working, but also giving useful info to clients...), if people are interested in discussing that I am.</div><div><br></div><div>Victor Kane</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I'm not conflating anything, and if you look back at the thread you'll see that I'm not advocating (at least not strongly) for a certification program. I think what we need is a "guild" (or "guilds") or union of sorts, that can define what it means to be a "Master" at Drupal development (a la 'Master Plubmer') and provide the framework for becoming one.<div>
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aim: zivtech<br><br><br></div><div><div></div><div>On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Bill Fitzgerald <<a href="mailto:bill@funnymonkey.com" target="_blank">bill@funnymonkey.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> RE:<br>
><br>> > And I don't know which marketplace you've been<br>
> > talking to, but the ones I talk to think there needs<br>> > to be a better way to show that a firm/individual<br>> > is a Professional Drupal Developer/Development Shop.<br>><br>> Every person who spends a penny on anything would like a better way of ensuring that they aren't wasting their money. To conflate this very human tendency with the need for a Certification System misses the point: part of our job is to help people understand exactly what they are getting with their investment (and as I see it, a client "buys" access to expertise, which will save them time in the short run and increase efficiency in the long run).<br>
><br>> In my past life (aka, before I became a Drupal geek) I spent far too much time working around people who had excellent paper credentials but lacked practical skills. These credentials ranged from tech certifications to PhDs -- none of these are guarantees that the person holding them knows *anything* about *anything*. One of the elements about the Drupal community that is refreshing is the complete lack of reliance on these artificial metrics.<br>
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