<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Sam Cohen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com">sam@samcohen.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
My 2 cents on this is that this is supposed to be a list for consultants, so consultants posting jobs for other consultants -- subcontracting, freelancers, full time jobs - would make sense. <br></blockquote><div><br>That was going to be my comment too. I have gotten work from this list. I do a fair amount of working helping other companies learn to do drupal for themselves. My roll is being a consultant to them. I also think those sort of people are specially looking for a consultant.<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>While someone who is not a consultant joining this list to post a job wouldn't be cool. </blockquote>
<div><br>For now the job posting traffic seems acceptable.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>But I'd like to ask the list owner to just set some specific ground rules, because these conversations about what is and what is not acceptable don't really accomplish anything.<br>
<font color="#888888"></font></blockquote><div><br>1. Post a job if you are a consultant looking for other consultants<br>2. If you are an outside company looking for a consultant.<br><br>Unacceptable<br><br>1. Headhunters, job agencies<br>
2. People not in need of a consultant, then can just post on <a href="http://drupal.org">drupal.org</a> proper in any of the locations already available.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<font color="#888888"><br>Sam</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><br><br><br>
<br><blockquote style="margin: 1.5em 0pt;"></blockquote><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Cameron Eagans <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cweagans@gmail.com" target="_blank">cweagans@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hey Ryan,<br><br>Well, I guess you tell me: <a href="http://groups.drupal.org/node/5383/jobs" target="_blank">http://groups.drupal.org/node/5383/jobs</a><br>
<br>I run a business, so I'm not really looking for anything full time.<br><br>
I guess I just enjoy the prospect of jobs coming to me, instead of having to dig through hundreds/thousands of job postings on g.d.o. Lazy? Sure. Effective? Absolutely.<br><br>But yeah, I would absolutely +1 a [Jobs] list.<div>
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-----<br>Cameron Eagans<br>Owner, Black Storms Studios, LLC<br><a href="http://www.blackstormsstudios.com" target="_blank">http://www.blackstormsstudios.com</a><br>
<br><br></div><div><div></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Ryan Cross <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:drupal@ryancross.com" target="_blank">drupal@ryancross.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hey Cameron,<br>
<br>
Is there a reason you don't get enough job postings on your relevant<br>
<a href="http://groups.drupal.org" target="_blank">http://groups.drupal.org</a> or even <a href="http://groups.drupal.org/jobs" target="_blank">http://groups.drupal.org/jobs</a> ?<br>
<br>
Also there is the market place in the forums -<br>
<a href="http://drupal.org/paid-services" target="_blank">http://drupal.org/paid-services</a> There is also the potentially less<br>
relevant forum (but still commercial services oriented)<br>
<a href="http://drupal.org/hosting-support" target="_blank">http://drupal.org/hosting-support</a><br>
<br>
I just find there are somewhat opposing needs from discussing business<br>
topics with other people and having to put on your "professional face"<br>
in front of clients.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
-Ryan<br>
</font><div><br>
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Cameron Eagans<<a href="mailto:cweagans@gmail.com" target="_blank">cweagans@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div><div><div></div><div>> While I agree with you, the reason that I joined this list in the first<br>
> place was because I thought that there would be frequent job postings. As a<br>
> college student running a Drupal shop, I need all the help I can get finding<br>
> new work.<br>
><br>
> That said, I agree with you.<br>
><br>
> Would it be too much of a hassle to split job postings off into a [Jobs]<br>
> list?<br>
><br>
> If/when that happens, I would join that list, but until then, I think the<br>
> consultants list is the best place for job postings at the moment.<br>
> -----<br>
> Cameron Eagans<br>
> Owner, Black Storms Studios, LLC<br>
> <a href="http://www.blackstormsstudios.com" target="_blank">http://www.blackstormsstudios.com</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Ryan Cross <<a href="mailto:drupal@ryancross.com" target="_blank">drupal@ryancross.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> This is not directed at anyone in particular (i.e. Sam) but I'm<br>
>> curious how other people feel about job postings on this mailing list.<br>
>> I personally would expect this list to be used for discussions between<br>
>> consultants/shops and mostly around issues facing us that do not<br>
>> necessarily get addressed by other outlets (i.e. not technical or<br>
>> development questions, theming functions, etc). I would generally<br>
>> expect discussions around business topics such as Sam's recent<br>
>> discussion about a skills inventory used in hiring people.<br>
>><br>
>> It seems very obvious when people not familiar with this list (usually<br>
>> newbies) end up posting job offers or projects to this list without<br>
>> this concept. While I am sure people on this list might be interested<br>
>> in more work (obviously they are in the business for it), I personally<br>
>> do not like seeing them here. I guess I would like to imagine that<br>
>> this can be a bit of a sanctuary for discussion about clients/business<br>
>> without feeling like we have to always be worried about looking bad in<br>
>> front of potential clients. (you probably don't want clients knowing<br>
>> you're unsure of how to estimate a job or that your contracts might<br>
>> have holes in it, etc). I am quite conscious of this being a public<br>
>> forum and have no delusions people can find out this stuff, but I<br>
>> don't want potential clients to have more of a reason to come here and<br>
>> I would support any actions that would discourage this like job posts<br>
>> to this list. The converse of this would be if people started posting<br>
>> to this list advertising their skills/services, which I think would<br>
>> also be inappropriate.<br>
>><br>
>> How does everyone else feel?<br>
>><br>
>> There may be some grey areas, such as consultants looking for<br>
>> specialists in other areas. Like a themer looking for a developer, or<br>
>> a developer looking for a hoster. So, if you do want to support job<br>
>> posts, what is acceptable?<br>
>><br>
>> This may also lead into a more detailed discussion of general<br>
>> guidelines for this list I guess, but I think this is a specific issue<br>
>> that should have a clear answer.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> Ryan<br>
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