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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>I think Sam has it right on. I have passed on
a large project to <span class=SpellE>Trellon</span> as bandwidth would not allow
my full attention, and as a project manager <span class=SpellE>TopNotchThemes</span>
bounced me to a freelance <span class=SpellE>themer</span> who has worked out
very well for me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>I think it is unfortunate in the Drupal ecosystem
if big players just bid up a project out of the budget of a potential client
instead of seeking to bounce them to an appropriately sized firm.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>PS. I have rightly spent over a week on one
node template before. Many ‘feature requests’ can hide in the shadows
of PSDs or wireframes (‘fax this page’ functionality as small as a
simple button ….).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:
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<font color="#1f497d"><span style='color:#1F497D'>…</span></font>This
goes the other way too. Freelancers who have really big sites come their
way, should sometimes pass them on to larger companies who are more capable of
handling it -- and the larger companies should be passing the small jobs and
sites to the freelancers and small shops.<br>
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Sam<o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'>On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Nancy Wichmann <<a
href="mailto:nan_wich@bellsouth.net">nan_wich@bellsouth.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Fred Jones wrote:<br>
> hired a fancy NYC company ... custom node template, based on a PSD.<br>
<br>
That seems pretty darned expensive to me. When I worked at IBM, nothing<br>
could be done by one person. You had to have an account manager, project<br>
manager, architect, QA, etc. Each had his/her own hours to bill, and none<br>
would be as low as $100/hr. However, that still seems quite high to theme a<br>
node, but I've never worked with a PSD. I've done several node type<br>
templates and not even my first one when I had to learn took 33 hours. If<br>
they have to do some hooks to make sure variables are available, it could<br>
easily take more than 3 hours, but nowhere close to 33.<br>
<br>
Nancy E. Wichmann, PMP<br>
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. -- Dr. Martin L. King,<br>
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On Behalf Of Fred Jones<br>
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 7:09 AM<br>
To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers<br>
Subject: [consulting] Professionalism<br>
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I work with someone on a Drupal 6 site and he hired a fancy NYC<br>
company (that charges well over $100 / hour) to do some more work on<br>
the site. The client asked me to write up a certain job and include<br>
some time estimates. Part of it is a custom node template, based on a<br>
PSD. The site template remains the same--this node template is just to<br>
customize the content section. OK, it may involve a *bit* of PHP for<br>
special fields, but it's still just a node template.<br>
<br>
I estimated 3 hours and the NYers 33 hours. They estimate over $3300<br>
to make one node template!<br>
<br>
I don't understand how they are able to have enough business and a<br>
good enough reputation to be charging high prices if they don't know<br>
what they're doing. Because they don't--33 hours for a node template<br>
is silly I think. The other programmer we use could do it in 3 hours I<br>
think (and he's less than $100). He's just busy...<br>
<br>
F<br>
<br>
PS: Thank you for listening to my rant. I feel better now. :)<br>
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