Sami,<br><br>When folks disagree about unions or have an alternative view it's not "outrage" and it's not "shutting down dissent." It's just talkin ....<br><br>Sam<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Sami Khan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sami@etopian.net">sami@etopian.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">> Can't we just let one thread on this list *not* turn into a unionizing<br>
> Drupal campaign?<br>
<br>
</div>I don't know what worries this sort of statement stems from... If people<br>
choose<br>
to unionise, it is their right...<br>
<br>
Shutting down dissent is not cool.<br>
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> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Sami Khan <<a href="mailto:sami@etopian.net">sami@etopian.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> People,<br>
>><br>
>> Enjoy the party while it lasts folks. If you think you will be able to<br>
>> charge your $50-$150 per hour for your services as they are now in the<br>
>> foreseeable future... you are surely delusional. The services will have<br>
>> to<br>
>> change, and that means the markets will have to keep growing. As long<br>
as<br>
>> this keeps happening, the chances of you making a buck are probably not<br>
>> going away. However, as we speak, there are a number of factors working<br>
>> against you.<br>
>><br>
>> Are unions the answers? I doubt it, they are inefficient... but really<br>
if<br>
>> you are an individual, and have no say in the way taxing policy is<br>
>> developed; then I think they are the only chance of you getting what<br>
you<br>
>> want; potentially at a cost to the system and output.<br>
>><br>
>> The idea of exploiting the worker is a bit much though... but that's<br>
why<br>
>> I<br>
>> don't sub-contract or work in non-egalitarian relationships.<br>
>><br>
>> Also, I don't get all the "outrage", Victor is free to put out his<br>
>> views... Has the American worker been so conditioned as to express<br>
>> outrage<br>
>> at any ideological views which are not compatible with those of the<br>
>> elites<br>
>> in his country, the more I think about it; the more it seems to be the<br>
>> case.<br>
>><br>
>> Also check out this video, about the totalitarian state of the American<br>
>> mindset:<br>
>> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5um8QWWRvo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5um8QWWRvo</a><br>
>><br>
>> He is also right about services like oDesk diminishing at least<br>
segments<br>
>> of the market. Will this trend continue, despite the idea that this is<br>
a<br>
>> "pessimistic" outlook, yes it will; capitalism is suppose to work this<br>
>> way.<br>
>> You have to keep yourself viable and ahead of the pack, not to get lost<br>
>> in<br>
>> the race. Going forward web development and design is about fashion,<br>
not<br>
>> about the technical though the technical may make certain fashions<br>
>> possible... so as long as we can keep changing the fashion, and<br>
maintain<br>
>> eye balls; the longer we can keep charging the prices that we have been<br>
>> charging. You get away from that growth, and your salaries will<br>
plummet.<br>
>><br>
>> Sami<br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:37:49 -0700, Kevin Davison <<a href="mailto:kevin@quevin.com">kevin@quevin.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> > Per hour... hehe.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > We've been defining costs here, but what about the Drupal "EXPERT"<br>
term<br>
>> > that's emphasized so strongly?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Hobbyist vs. EXPERT<br>
>> ><br>
>> > What if you're an EXPERT who also enjoys Drupal as a hobby too? And<br>
is<br>
>> an<br>
>> > expert Developer defined by <a href="http://certifiedtorock.com/" target="_blank">http://certifiedtorock.com/</a> #11? Some<br>
>> clients<br>
>> > probably care less if you contribute back to the Drupal community to<br>
>> > achieve that rating.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > So if an EXPERT (based in the USA/EU) would charge $300 per hour,<br>
could<br>
>> > (or, would) they do this site in an hour? :-)<br>
>> > (No.)<br>
>> ><br>
>> > You'd have to be an "EXPERT" charging $11/hour for ~27 hours of work<br>
to<br>
>> do<br>
>> > this, I think...<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Aug 6, 2010, at 15:12 PM, John Saward wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> Good client. Clear communication. $300 per hour is possibly on the<br>
>> >> high<br>
>> >> side for the work. I'd bid $210 per hour and run away with it.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On 07/08/2010, at 5:57 AM, Jeff Greenberg wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >>> Received this request for a bid today. Still chuckling.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> You have been invited by the employer to participate in a private<br>
>> >>> auction. We would like to have an informational portal for all of<br>
the<br>
>> >>> roles in our company. The site will be made with the Drupal CMS and<br>
>> >>> therefore we require an EXPERT drupal developer. Please don't bid<br>
if<br>
>> >>> youre only building drupal websites as your hobby. You should be<br>
well<br>
>> >>> familiar with content types and views, users integration in Drupal,<br>
>> >>> advanced search and permission functions, multilingual sites<br>
>> (including<br>
>> >>> rtl languages)...We can say that we are very strict with timelines<br>
>> >>> and<br>
>> >>> very clear with requirements so please give us the right estimation<br>
>> from<br>
>> >>> the beginning...<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Max Bid:$300<br>
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