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Oh come on, the use of the internet is exploding but programmers
aren't. <br>
I've learned if a person wants to pay $300, chuckle and move on. They
have no idea what it takes to develop a site and are difficult to work
with.<br>
I've heard gloom and doom for 20 years. First it was 4GL, then it was
CASE, now it's one more supposed cure all.<br>
Keep your skills up to date, learn how to market and understand value
add, and how to sell yourself. And if you're too serious on Friday
evening it's time to locate a good elbow bend.<br>
<br>
-Don-<br>
<br>
On 8/6/2010 5:26 PM, Victor Kane wrote:
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cite="mid:AANLkTim34d5SEd-qPGgbWrV83YuiS9izuYiuXH4yXPQG@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Well, sorry to ruin your TGIF old chum, but the subject
(and the original ad sparking it) isn't funny at all for tens of
thousands of professionals all over the world.<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Kevin Reynen
<span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kreynen@gmail.com">kreynen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">@Victor
Kane Up until that comment, I was enjoying my Friday. Are you<br>
this much fun at parties too?<br>
<br>
I think what everyone was enjoying was the fact that in the US unless<br>
someone could complete the project in an hour or 2, only someone who<br>
developed Drupal sites as a hobby would bid on a $300 project. I have<br>
seen a number of job postings like this. They might as well have<br>
read...<br>
<br>
Looking for Drupal developer with mental condition. You must be smart<br>
enough to do X, Y, and Z, but too stupid to know the market rate for<br>
that type of work.<br>
<br>
When I see companies post those on Craig's List, I'm tempted to pay<br>
the $25 to repost an updated ad for them.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
- Kevin Reynen<br>
</font>
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On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Victor Kane <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:victorkane@gmail.com">victorkane@gmail.com</a>>
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<div class="h5">> We can all laugh our heads off, but the law of
falling rate of return (Marx)<br>
> and the huge efforts being made (even in the Drupal community via
the<br>
> sanctification of oDesk) to commoditize Drupal consulting work
will make us<br>
> consultants laugh on the other side of our faces.<br>
> Only an international union (which we should have done at the cusp
of the<br>
> curve, not now that it is dropping) can defend our rights as
working people.<br>
> Victor Kane<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://awebfactory.com.ar"
target="_blank">http://awebfactory.com.ar</a><br>
> "Let's make the capitalist corporations pay for the crisis, not
working<br>
> people"<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Riche Zamor Jr <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rczamor@gmail.com">rczamor@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> What country is the bid from? It doesn't read as though
English is the<br>
>> writer's first language...<br>
>><br>
>> On Aug 6, 2010 4:32 PM, "Andrew R. Kelly" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:arkelly@cognisync.com">arkelly@cognisync.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> > That HAS to be a typo, nobody's that clueless.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:consulting-bounces@drupal.org">consulting-bounces@drupal.org</a><br>
>> > [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:consulting-bounces@drupal.org">consulting-bounces@drupal.org</a>]<br>
>> > On Behalf Of Jeff Greenberg<br>
>> > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:58 PM<br>
>> > To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:consulting@drupal.org">consulting@drupal.org</a><br>
>> > Subject: [consulting] A chuckle<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Received this request for a bid today. Still chuckling.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > You have been invited by the employer to participate in a
private<br>
>> > auction.<br>
>> > We would like to have an informational portal for all of
the roles in<br>
>> > our<br>
>> > company. The site will be made with the Drupal CMS and
therefore we<br>
>> > require<br>
>> > an EXPERT drupal developer. Please don't bid if youre
only building<br>
>> > drupal<br>
>> > websites as your hobby. You should be well familiar with
content types<br>
>> > and<br>
>> > views, users integration in Drupal, advanced search and
permission<br>
>> > functions, multilingual sites (including rtl
languages)...We can say<br>
>> > that we<br>
>> > are very strict with timelines and very clear with
requirements so<br>
>> > please<br>
>> > give us the right estimation from the beginning...<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Max Bid:$300<br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
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