<div>Can't we just let one thread on this list <i>not</i> turn into a unionizing Drupal campaign?</div><br clear="all">Kevin Montgomery, President, New Eon Media, Inc. | <a href="http://neweonmedia.com">http://neweonmedia.com</a><br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Sami Khan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sami@etopian.net">sami@etopian.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
People,<br>
<br>
Enjoy the party while it lasts folks. If you think you will be able to<br>
charge your $50-$150 per hour for your services as they are now in the<br>
foreseeable future... you are surely delusional. The services will have to<br>
change, and that means the markets will have to keep growing. As long as<br>
this keeps happening, the chances of you making a buck are probably not<br>
going away. However, as we speak, there are a number of factors working<br>
against you.<br>
<br>
Are unions the answers? I doubt it, they are inefficient... but really if<br>
you are an individual, and have no say in the way taxing policy is<br>
developed; then I think they are the only chance of you getting what you<br>
want; potentially at a cost to the system and output.<br>
<br>
The idea of exploiting the worker is a bit much though... but that's why I<br>
don't sub-contract or work in non-egalitarian relationships.<br>
<br>
Also, I don't get all the "outrage", Victor is free to put out his<br>
views... Has the American worker been so conditioned as to express outrage<br>
at any ideological views which are not compatible with those of the elites<br>
in his country, the more I think about it; the more it seems to be the<br>
case.<br>
<br>
Also check out this video, about the totalitarian state of the American<br>
mindset:<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5um8QWWRvo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5um8QWWRvo</a><br>
<br>
He is also right about services like oDesk diminishing at least segments<br>
of the market. Will this trend continue, despite the idea that this is a<br>
"pessimistic" outlook, yes it will; capitalism is suppose to work this way.<br>
You have to keep yourself viable and ahead of the pack, not to get lost in<br>
the race. Going forward web development and design is about fashion, not<br>
about the technical though the technical may make certain fashions<br>
possible... so as long as we can keep changing the fashion, and maintain<br>
eye balls; the longer we can keep charging the prices that we have been<br>
charging. You get away from that growth, and your salaries will plummet.<br>
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Sami<br>
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On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:37:49 -0700, Kevin Davison <<a href="mailto:kevin@quevin.com">kevin@quevin.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Per hour... hehe.<br>
><br>
> We've been defining costs here, but what about the Drupal "EXPERT" term<br>
> that's emphasized so strongly?<br>
><br>
> Hobbyist vs. EXPERT<br>
><br>
> What if you're an EXPERT who also enjoys Drupal as a hobby too? And is<br>
an<br>
> expert Developer defined by <a href="http://certifiedtorock.com/" target="_blank">http://certifiedtorock.com/</a> #11? Some<br>
clients<br>
> probably care less if you contribute back to the Drupal community to<br>
> achieve that rating.<br>
><br>
> So if an EXPERT (based in the USA/EU) would charge $300 per hour, could<br>
> (or, would) they do this site in an hour? :-)<br>
> (No.)<br>
><br>
> You'd have to be an "EXPERT" charging $11/hour for ~27 hours of work to<br>
do<br>
> this, I think...<br>
><br>
> On Aug 6, 2010, at 15:12 PM, John Saward wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Good client. Clear communication. $300 per hour is possibly on the high<br>
>> side for the work. I'd bid $210 per hour and run away with it.<br>
>><br>
>> On 07/08/2010, at 5:57 AM, Jeff Greenberg wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Received this request for a bid today. Still chuckling.<br>
>>><br>
>>> You have been invited by the employer to participate in a private<br>
>>> auction. We would like to have an informational portal for all of the<br>
>>> roles in our company. The site will be made with the Drupal CMS and<br>
>>> therefore we require an EXPERT drupal developer. Please don't bid if<br>
>>> youre only building drupal websites as your hobby. You should be well<br>
>>> familiar with content types and views, users integration in Drupal,<br>
>>> advanced search and permission functions, multilingual sites<br>
(including<br>
>>> rtl languages)...We can say that we are very strict with timelines and<br>
>>> very clear with requirements so please give us the right estimation<br>
from<br>
>>> the beginning...<br>
>>><br>
>>> Max Bid:$300<br>
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