Fascinating debate Sam, I think, for anyone working with Drupal. I'm not saying Capitalism is not evil, I'm saying it's washed out, run its course; and workers aren't victims, but rather part of the solution.<div>
<br></div><div>But let's agree to disagree, thanks for sharing your opinion.<div><br></div><div>Victor<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Sam Cohen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com">sam@samcohen.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">The problem is not evil capitalists verses victimized workers. Sorry Victor, but his whole concept of capitalists being parasites does not reflect reality in the least. <br>
<br> Far from being parasites, capitalists are creating jobs, wealth, and opportunities for workers -- along with all the suffering and exploitation. <br>
<br>I would even guess that Drupal is only possible because of all the capitalist "parasites" who create jobs for developers, allowing those developers to use their free time (and many their paid time) to contribute to Drupal.<br>
<br>Now, just because I say capitalists are not parasites, doesn't mean I support everything about capitalism, just like believing in a religion doesn't mean you support its excesses. <br><br>As more people become aware of the excesses of large corporations, as more people vote with their wallets, as more voters organize to elect people to represent their interests, capitalism becomes more humane. <br>
<br>The best thing about Drupal is that it helps this process along by creating a low cost tools for people to educate one another and organize . <br><br>What's interesting is that you ask how the open source model can help rebuilding society, while also saying you want to use socialism to win.<br>
<br> In my opionion the open source model is the opposite of socialism. Socialism is about collective ownership. Open Source is about no one owning it. It seems to me Open Source is far more libertarian than it is socialist. <br>
<br>I do think the question of how the open source model can be used to build a more just and better world is a fascinating one -- I just wouldn't call it socialism.<br><br>Sam<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Heinz D. Wegener <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:heinz@simplexcreative.com" target="_blank">heinz@simplexcreative.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">To all:<br>
PLEASE (and this is a request, NOT a demand, but PLEASE) take this conversation elsewhere. I signed up to receive these email updates in order to find requests for consulting jobs related to Drupal. Far too often this forum is used for everything but that.<br>
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And now I've experienced days of reading about this ridiculous notion that capitalism is evil... I strive to make money so that I can support my family. I strive to grow my business so that I can make more money to support my family, and maybe eventually hire employees so that they can support their families. This is capitalism. This is not evil... period. Some people may be crooked and evil, but you cannot pin that on capitalism.<br>
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So if this conversation could be continued elsewhere, it would be greatly appreciated. I welcome the announcement of where this debate will continue. But PLEASE take it elsewhere.<br>
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