<span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">Hi! Guys. What you just said are all great information. Thank you so much.</span><br style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">I'm actually more concerned on how this temporary contest affect our existing Drupal installation. So I think I'll take your advice, host it somewhere. </span><br style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">Anyone who has tried hosting a video contest in YouTube? Can you tell how much did it cost you and how long the contest run?</span><br style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">Thank you again, guys!</span><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 8:00 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:consulting-request@drupal.org">consulting-request@drupal.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:48:21 +0100<br>
From: Ant?nio P. P. Almeida <<a href="mailto:appa@perusio.net">appa@perusio.net</a>><br>
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On 13 Ago 2010 17h24 WEST, <a href="mailto:domenics@gmail.com">domenics@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
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> On Aug 13, 2010, at 8:21 AM, George D. DeMet wrote:<br>
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>> On Aug 13, 2010, at 8:42 AM, liza chua wrote:<br>
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>>> hey guys. What do you think about running a video contest in<br>
>>> Drupal? Any example sites that you can give<br>
>><br>
>> I'm not sure if it's quite what you're looking for, but you may<br>
>> want to check out this case study: <a href="http://drupal.org/node/790858" target="_blank">http://drupal.org/node/790858</a><br>
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> The case study uses the embedded media field with only YouTube<br>
> enabled, so they're using YouTube to host the videos.<br>
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> I've done a TON of work in the video+Drupal space and I'll echo a<br>
> previous poster's comment: unless you know what you're getting<br>
> yourself into and have the budget to support that, use a 3rd party<br>
> service thru the embedded media field and move on.<br>
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> HTH<br>
> -D<br>
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There's one thing to add. I don't know if things have changed since I<br>
checked it about a 1+ year ago. AFAIK most popular video hosting<br>
services re-encode the video you upload to a format that you've little<br>
control over. All of them always provide a FLV version. The <video><br>
tag is supported only on modern browsers and the dust regarding video<br>
codec formats and the concomitant patent trolling involved is very<br>
much in the air. Furthermore IE has no support for the <video> tag<br>
(only in IE9 beta I believe) so you have to provide the lowest common<br>
denominator in terms of codec availability.<br>
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It used to be (I don't know if it still holds) that <a href="http://blip.tv" target="_blank">blip.tv</a> was the<br>
exception to the rule of forced re-encoding. If you uploaded a video<br>
in FLV they didn't touch it, i.e., they respected your encoding and<br>
therefore you had/have control over the quality.<br>
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HTH,<br>
--- appa<br>
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:10:31 -0700<br>
From: Domenic Santangelo <<a href="mailto:domenics@gmail.com">domenics@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [consulting] Host a video contest in Drupal<br>
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> There's one thing to add. I don't know if things have changed since I<br>
> checked it about a 1+ year ago. AFAIK most popular video hosting<br>
> services re-encode the video you upload to a format that you've little<br>
> control over. All of them always provide a FLV version. The <video><br>
> tag is supported only on modern browsers and the dust regarding video<br>
> codec formats and the concomitant patent trolling involved is very<br>
> much in the air.<br>
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Indeed, this is the complication around self-hosting videos, Drupal or not, especially when dealing with community-generated content. If it's just you posting videos, you can just be sure you always export FLV/WMA/MP4/whatever, but you can't enforce that effectively in the community -- you need a transcoder. There are many 3rd-party services that will do this: someone else mentioned Kaltura (which had Drupal integration in its absolute infancy last time I used it), CDN2 from WorkHabit, and so forth. You could even roll your own (community tools for transcoding exist), but it's extremely complicated to account for each corner case. I've been involved with doing this, too; believe me, it's a nightmare.<br>
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At this point in time, it's far easier for everyone involved to choose a provider and let them deal with the video mess: "Upload your video to YouTube and paste the link here". It's honestly not so much a failing of Drupal as it is the state of the technology. Antonio mentioned patent problems around codecs, which is a salient point, browser support is fairly sketchy so you have to choose a player, probably flash, which will cost a ton and/or support 1-2 file formats (which means you need transcoding, see the previous paragraph).<br>
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Food for thought.<br>
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