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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(Answering this one since the guy you asked just unsubscribed)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sam, I wouldn’t send a client to this list to join it, but it comes up as part of the sales conversation as we position Drupal “support” against a traditional commercial support offering. If a prospect felt compelled to look deeper a quick Google search for “Drupal Consulting Mailing List” brings up the archives that show dozens of off-topic threads hiding the gems that might perhaps seal the deal. Not the most earth-shattering issue to be sure, but something to be aware of as we drive Drupal into the enterprise. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>At the end of the day this list exists either to help Drupal consultants do their jobs or to provide a medium for a few people to ponder social issues. The moderator needs to make that decision so we can then make ours. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ok back to work figuring out how Drupal Commons might impact our consulting offerings (not as compelling as a debate about capitalism but it pays the bills).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> consulting-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:consulting-bounces@drupal.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sam Cohen<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 23, 2010 1:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [consulting] Suggestion for Dries and Moderators: New Politics List<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I'm not following why people are sending clients to this list. <br><br>It's for professional Drupal consultants, not for people who want to hire Drupal consultants or ask consultants questions -- no?<br><br>Sam<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Kevin Davison <<a href="mailto:kevin@quevin.com">kevin@quevin.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Andrew, I think this is the right idea. Trolls need to be moderated, especially when the topic is not what we agree to discuss.<br><br>Weeks ago, I referred a prospect looking for help to this list, and I recently saw them asking how to be removed. They were expecting to join a list to get consulting help, not to get flamed with political rantings. This list has lost a potential client looking for services, so consider that.<br><br>You are losing business. Plus, I'm removing myself from this list now. I will no longer be seeking paid help from this list. At least not until I hear that the list is moderated so it becomes useful again.<br><br>Goodbye<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>On Aug 23, 2010, at 08:03 AM, Andrew R. Kelly wrote:<br><br>> This is a rock-solid response. Therefore I fully expect a rebuttal :(. We<br>> (meaning my small band of drupaleers) enjoy this list and in fact promote it<br>> as a feature of Drupal in our value points to clients as we battle<br>> commercial software packages. If a prospect decides to look under the hood<br>> and stumbles onto threads like we've had recently that won't be pretty.<br>><br>> C'mon folks let's keep our eyes on the target - building Drupal market share<br>> one gig at a time, using the power of community to combat commercial<br>> solutions.<br>><br>> Thx Adam.<br>><br>> Andrew<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: <a href="mailto:consulting-bounces@drupal.org">consulting-bounces@drupal.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:consulting-bounces@drupal.org">consulting-bounces@drupal.org</a>]<br>> On Behalf Of Adam Mordecai<br>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:22 AM<br>> To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers<br>> Cc: <a href="mailto:sami.khan@etopian.com">sami.khan@etopian.com</a><br>> Subject: Re: [consulting] Suggestion for Dries and Moderators: New Politics<br>> List<br>><br>> Yea, hilariously, last night I wrote an extremely rude email in response to<br>> Sami's really rude email, and it got moderated (due to size limitations) and<br>> I've cancelled it this morning because it didn't further the conversation,<br>> just made me feel better.<br>><br>> Alex I've joined your group and will gladly track down people who might want<br>> or be able to support it. These kinds of emails suggesting resources and<br>> tangible things you can do are exactly the kind of thing that DO add to the<br>> conversation.<br>><br>> Again what I meant to say by moderation wasn't that every post has to be<br>> approved, just that when the discussion gets way out in the weeds a<br>> moderator can chime in with best practices and resources and ask people to<br>> move it off list. Then if someone continues to disregard that, they could be<br>> put on probation or booted if they can't play well with others. Sami posted<br>> 48 different emails this month to the list (18% of total list traffic) only<br>> around 8 of which actually were not related to the original political thread<br>> and about consulting. I just think a little common sense and respect for<br>> other people's time would make things work better around here.<br>><br>><br>> On Aug 23, 2010, at 2:22 AM, Alex Rollin wrote:<br>><br>> Hi Adam,<br>><br>> I'd like to add in that I was inspired by the conversation to go do<br>> documentation about how Drupal Workers could form a cooperative.<br>><br>> <a href="http://groups.drupal.org/drupal-worker-cooperative" target="_blank">http://groups.drupal.org/drupal-worker-cooperative</a><br>><br>> We've had a number of folks join the group and I hope you will, too.<br>><br>> I don't think that prohibiting all "organizing related" traffic is your<br>> intention with moderation.<br>><br>> It's still permitted to link link link(?):<br>> <a href="http://groups.drupal.org/drupal-worker-cooperative" target="_blank">http://groups.drupal.org/drupal-worker-cooperative</a><br>><br>> Linking this within the list is appropriate, no? To post links about<br>> discussions on GDO that we see as relevant but tangential, yes?<br>><br>> Perhaps, then, if this is okay, then what we have here is a bit of<br>> etiquette. You can use the list to link to tangential and relevant things<br>> on GDO?<br>><br>> Then it is up to everyone else to hold back the impulse to jump in and make<br>> the thread grow. Instead, head over to the link? Can we self-moderate<br>> around something like this?<br>><br>> Alex<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> consulting mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:consulting@drupal.org">consulting@drupal.org</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting" target="_blank">http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting</a><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> consulting mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:consulting@drupal.org">consulting@drupal.org</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting" target="_blank">http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>consulting mailing list<br><a href="mailto:consulting@drupal.org">consulting@drupal.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting" target="_blank">http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><br>-- <br><a href="http://samcohen.com">http://samcohen.com</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>