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    I know that programmers tend to be control freaks, but this whole
    "do what I say or we'll close the list" seems way over board. Some
    of you are letting occasional topics that for some obsessive
    compulsive reason you can't ignore and just delete ruin a list that
    works just fine. If I leave the list, it will be from the temper
    tantrums, not the so called off-topic conversations.<br>
    <br>
    -Don-<br>
    <br>
    On 8/24/2010 12:45 AM, Adam Mordecai wrote:
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      type="cite">There's some internal debate about how we are going to
      be reforming the list, however, I think there is a general
      consensus that this is a completely appropriate venue to find
      consultants to work on your project. Thanks for your patience
      while we work out the internal debate issues and welcome to the
      list. :) Feel free to use it to find people to work with.&nbsp;
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      <div>Cheers,</div>
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      <div>-A<br>
        <div>
          <div>On Aug 23, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Teresa K Pudi wrote:</div>
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            <div>I joined this group recently because I was under the
              impression that I will be connected to skilled
              consultants.</div>
            <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style=""><br>
                </span></span></div>
            <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="">After several
                Drupal projects with lots of hard work to select the
                skills desired this group seemed very atractive to me.</span></div>
            <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></div>
            <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="">I was hoping to
                be able to reach out to this group for help on a project
                i am currently working on: a website redesign.</span></div>
            <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><span
                  class="Apple-style-span" style=""><br>
                </span></span></div>
            <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="">We are in the
                process of defining requirements and will be looking for
                developer(s) soon.</span></div>
            <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><br>
              </span></div>
            <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="">Is this the
                wrong group for me? &nbsp;Is there another group U should be
                joining?</span></div>
            <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><br>
              </span></div>
            <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="">Please,
                advise...</span></div>
            <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><br>
              </span>
              <div>Sent from my iPhone</div>
            </div>
            <div><br>
              On Aug 23, 2010, at 8:26 PM, Therese Kells &lt;<a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:therese.kells@gmail.com">therese.kells@gmail.com</a>&gt;
              wrote:<br>
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              <div>Hi Folks,<br>
                <br>
                I joined this group several years ago. I used to be an
                employment recruiter back when companies still needed
                people like me. At the time, I wrote to the group and
                asked if it was OK to look for Drupal Consultants to
                support a project my current contract needed help on.
                (bty I was an inside recruiter working under contract to
                a start up.) No one, responded! So I sent out an email
                to the group, presenting what I was given by my client.
                I received 3 responses and put them all in touch with
                the hiring manager who could speak intelligently to the
                project. (speaking intelligently to the project was a
                plus. I know that is not always the case.) The manager
                was blown away. He had never gotten such highly
                qualified folks so quickly. The project unfortunately
                changed and was postponed. Such is the nature of start
                ups. Why wouldn't you want someone like me to post
                project requests to this group? It worked and everyone
                won. Sure the project changed but I guarantee those
                consultants are still in this guys Rolodex. What harm? <br>
                <br>
                OK, so why am I still here? I'm self employed. You folks
                actually talk intelligently to the ins and outs of being
                self employed. It's hard work and it's lonely. It still
                beats the hell out of wage slavery. I hardly ever write
                to you but I read what you have to say and gain from the
                stuff that is pertinent to my situation. I have great
                deal of gratitude to you for your tips and insights. <br>
                <br>
                Would you really kick me out because I'm not a Drupal
                consultant? <br>
                <br>
                Thanks,<br>
                Therese <br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:25
                  PM, Sam Cohen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:sam@samcohen.com">sam@samcohen.com</a>&gt;</span>
                  wrote:<br>
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                    0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204,
                    204); padding-left: 1ex;">Serious question here:&nbsp;
                    Who is it that would make a decision such as closing
                    down this list?&nbsp; Is this one person's decision?&nbsp; A
                    committee?&nbsp; How would it be decided, etc?<br>
                    <br>
                    I just posted on DGO a suggestion to elect a
                    moderator.&nbsp; Let's let anyone who would like to see
                    the list go on and want to moderate it post what
                    they think the guidelines should be.&nbsp; Then everyone
                    can vote for a moderator.&nbsp; Seems that would be a way
                    to make this list serve the needs of its members in
                    a fair way.<br>
                    <br>
                    Sam
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at
                          6:00 PM, Greg Knaddison <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:Greg@growingventuresolutions.com">Greg@growingventuresolutions.com</a>&gt;</span>
                          wrote:<br>
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                            <div>On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:40 PM,
                              Michael Shmilov &lt;<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:yamdesigns@gmail.com">yamdesigns@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                              wrote:<br>
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                            <div>&gt; I think this list is very
                              important but lately to much off-topics.<br>
                              &gt; and obviously we can't expect someone
                              to moderate/filter the topics.<br>
                              &gt;<br>
                              &gt; How about making this list to an rss
                              feed? I find it very useful and we can<br>
                              &gt; easily browse it.<br>
                              <br>
                            </div>
                            There are multiple rss feeds for every group
                            on <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://groups.drupal.org/">groups.drupal.org</a>.<br>
                            <br>
                            If we moved the conversation there, you
                            could use those.<br>
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                              Regards,<br>
                              Greg<br>
                              <br>
                              --<br>
                              Greg Knaddison | 720-310-5623 | <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://growingventuresolutions.com/">http://growingventuresolutions.com</a><br>
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