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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Déjà vu all over again. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> consulting-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:consulting-bounces@drupal.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 23, 2011 12:42 PM<br><b>To:</b> A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers<br><b>Cc:</b> rgoya@netsperience.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [consulting] Purpose?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I don't really get what you're getting at here. Anytime you post something, e-mail it, mail it via carrier pigeon, etc., you should have the expectation that your words either are, or may become, public. If you're not comfortable with "your bosses" reading what you write about them, don't write it. Otherwise, assume it's all public and behave accordingly. (Note, I'm not saying "behave online", I'm saying "behave like yourself online") <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And btw, the whole point of owning my own shop is to not have a "boss". For that matter, I like not having someone tell me what I should or should not say to whomever I feel like saying it. So- if you're afraid your words might be used against you, and you're uncofortable with that fact, then I really suggest you stop talking/writing. Me? I try to live by the wise words of the modern America philosopher Redman, when he said "if you gotta be a monkey, be a gorilla" ("I'll be that... I'll be that..."), and I'm happy as hell that my words "could and will be used against me in a court of" public opinion (including potential bosses). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>--<br>Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg<br>Partner | CEO<br><a href="http://zivtech.com" target="_blank">Zivtech, LLC</a><br><a href="mailto:alex@zivtech.com" target="_blank">alex@zivtech.com</a><br>office: (215) 922-2692<br>cell: (215) 866-8956<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/alexu_a" target="_blank">AlexU_A</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:09 PM, <<a href="mailto:jeff@ayendesigns.com">jeff@ayendesigns.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I reach a different conclusion, though. Although I'm open to having it<br>molded :) I don't think that IRC is a better place. It's immediate, and<br>many people don't have the time (or the time zone) to handle that, and<br>unless you're there you miss things. I think a mailing list serves both<br>purposes (discussion of consulting and all that goes with it, and<br>discussion of consulting jobs), but I think that if you're going to talk<br>about how you price things to your 'boss', how it is to work with 'that<br>kind of boss' and anything else like that, you probably wouldn't do it<br>one desk over from your boss, or in this case, in a list where it's<br>likely that the buyer is present. My conclusion is that it might serve<br>us better to have a consulting-topics list and a consulting-jobs list.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>On 03/23/2011 12:03 PM, netsperience wrote:<br><br>> Jeff,<br>><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>> I have only recently joined this list. I agree with your observations:The recent "lowball" "motorcycle site" discussion was triggered by a<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>> client posting a job with a low budget. I think we may have scared the<br>> client away, or perhaps he found a consultant. There is no way to know.<br>><br>> When I joined this list I thought it would be "about" consulting in all<br>> its aspects, including job offers, warnings about deadbeat clients,<br>> business tips, and above all a place for "consultants" to mingle. Some<br>> of the "developers" who contributed snarky comments to this discussion<br>> can indeed improve "consulting" skills and may reconsider that their<br>> hostile comments might scare away legitimate clients from this list<br>> and/or their own clientele.<br>><br>> I think if people want to "discuss" being a consultant or developer,<br>> there are ample channels (IRC, for example, or BOFs at Drupal events).<br>><br>> Truthfully, if this list becomes about one topic it will lose general<br>> interest.<br>><br>> Randall Goya (decibel.places) <a href="http://netsperience.org" target="_blank">http://netsperience.org</a><br>><br>> Drupal: <a href="http://drupal.org/user/58977" target="_blank">http://drupal.org/user/58977</a><br>> Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/decibelplaces" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/decibelplaces</a><br>> Facebook: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/people/Decibel-Places/100000187748486" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/people/Decibel-Places/100000187748486</a><br>> LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/rgoya" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/rgoya</a><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> consulting mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:consulting@drupal.org">consulting@drupal.org</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting" target="_blank">http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting</a><br>_______________________________________________<br>consulting mailing list<br><a href="mailto:consulting@drupal.org">consulting@drupal.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting" target="_blank">http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/consulting</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>