The answer to this question is that no one really knows what this list is for and whomever is in charge isn't the type to lay down the rules.<br><br>This has come up half a dozen times in the past few years. Whenever things get a little heated we go meta and have this discussion about the purpose of the list.<br>
<br>When things get really heated, someone threatens to do away with this list.<br><br>Only thing I know for sure is that a lot of Drupal consultant are very sensitive about people disagreeing and, IMO, a bit too worried about what people think (clients, the community, God -- who knows). <br>
<br>The good thing about this list is that a lot of the self-appointed list-police have gone away. It used to be that people popped up all the time to tell people what isn't appropriate. I think a lot of those probably unsubscribed -- or realized it's not productive to constantly have that conversation. Though, as we have seen, it still happens.<br>
<br>In my opinion, I think it should be made clear that this list is for Drupal consultants to discuss topics they want to discuss with other Drupal consultants, that it's a community based on what the participants do and not defined by a topic. I also think it's not the place for non-consultants to join and post jobs or anything else for that matter. But that's just my opinion and a lot of folks disagree with me about that.<br>
<br>Best,<br>Sam<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div style="display: inline;"></div><div style="display: inline;"></div><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:09 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeff@ayendesigns.com">jeff@ayendesigns.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
I reach a different conclusion, though. Although I'm open to having it<br>
molded :) I don't think that IRC is a better place. It's immediate, and<br>
many people don't have the time (or the time zone) to handle that, and<br>
unless you're there you miss things. I think a mailing list serves both<br>
purposes (discussion of consulting and all that goes with it, and<br>
discussion of consulting jobs), but I think that if you're going to talk<br>
about how you price things to your 'boss', how it is to work with 'that<br>
kind of boss' and anything else like that, you probably wouldn't do it<br>
one desk over from your boss, or in this case, in a list where it's<br>
likely that the buyer is present. My conclusion is that it might serve<br>
us better to have a consulting-topics list and a consulting-jobs list.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
On 03/23/2011 12:03 PM, netsperience wrote:<br>
<br>
> Jeff,<br>
><br>
</div>> I have only recently joined this list. I agree with your observations:The recent "lowball" "motorcycle site" discussion was triggered by a<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5">> client posting a job with a low budget. I think we may have scared the<br>
> client away, or perhaps he found a consultant. There is no way to know.<br>
><br>
> When I joined this list I thought it would be "about" consulting in all<br>
> its aspects, including job offers, warnings about deadbeat clients,<br>
> business tips, and above all a place for "consultants" to mingle. Some<br>
> of the "developers" who contributed snarky comments to this discussion<br>
> can indeed improve "consulting" skills and may reconsider that their<br>
> hostile comments might scare away legitimate clients from this list<br>
> and/or their own clientele.<br>
><br>
> I think if people want to "discuss" being a consultant or developer,<br>
> there are ample channels (IRC, for example, or BOFs at Drupal events).<br>
><br>
> Truthfully, if this list becomes about one topic it will lose general<br>
> interest.<br>
><br>
> Randall Goya (decibel.places) <a href="http://netsperience.org" target="_blank">http://netsperience.org</a><br>
><br>
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