<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On Dec 1, 2005, at 9:02 AM, Tim Altman wrote:</DIV>Added both. <BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><A href="http://www.htmlhelp.org/tools/validator/doctype.html">http://www.htmlhelp.org/tools/validator/doctype.html</A> and <A href="http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html">http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html</A> should help.</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Opera also has validation built in without needing an extension.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space">  </SPAN>Just press Ctrl+Alt+V.</FONT></P> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><DIV>Assuming folks do not want to read about doctypes and DTDs what should we recommend as defaults?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>DocType: application/xhtml+xml I assume.  What DTDs ?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">&lt;!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">   "<A href="http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd</A>"&gt;</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">&lt;!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">   "<A href="http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd</A>"&gt;</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">&lt;!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Frameset//EN"</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">   "<A href="http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-frameset.dtd">http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-frameset.dtd</A>"&gt;</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Anything else?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Kieran</DIV></BODY></HTML>