<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV>Hi Ber, </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>It's been fascinating to follow this whole thread. I am not so much on the market for 4.5 as I am on the market on making Drupal easier and more cost effective to use and maintain. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Laura sent just popped this page after this discussion</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><A href="http://drupal.org/node/65922">http://drupal.org/node/65922</A></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>And it sent shivers down my spine with its conclusion : </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> 6. Therefore, people adopting Drupal for their web or CMS project should plan for periodic upgrades of their project to the latest major release (every 6-12 months) in order to benefit from the ongoing active support of one of the finest open source development communities.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>If you won't code freeze that means I have to do with my sites. The problem is that there is no structure in place at all for people like me or Peter to effectively do so. I don't know what the answer to this issue is, but I know the issue is big enough for me to have pondered this for the past 4 months. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I've spent a lot of time smoothing the fuglies out of my sites. You know Drupal sites because they never look quite done. The devil is in the details and a lot of detailing gets brushed aside for functionality. For someone who actually hates spending time on the little things, I actually wished it were the little things, the details, that moved Drupal's development. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Which is why upgrading is costly. When you've tweaked things in 20, 30, 50 heres and theres, writing over them for the next decimal upgrade becomes prohibitive. It's time and money gone completely out of the window. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>From a consultant's perspective this is great because it ensures you're gonna get paid for a while. Form the point of view of a small publisher, the problem is terrible. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The promise of using Drupal, after all the research I did almost 1.5 years ago, was that its CivicSpace distro would make it possible for people like me to run community sites for not much more than the cost of running a blog. I knew it was going to be a bit more than that but not this much. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Again, I don't have an answer to this issue. i just want to put out there.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><B style="font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; ">Liza Sabater, Publisher</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></B></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><B>culturekitchen network</B></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px">www.culturekitchen.com</P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px">TEL - 646.552.7365</P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px">AIM - cultkitdiva</P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px">SKYPE - lizasabater</P><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><B style="font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; ">NOTICE</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></B>: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of President George W. Bush and Vice-President Richard Cheney, for high crimes and misdemeanors.</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On 29.May.2006, at 07:59, Bčr Kessels wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV>Op maandag 29 mei 2006 12:35, schreef Karoly Negyesi:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV>Ber is likely to </DIV><DIV>lend a hand in supporting, and so do I and very likely a horde of other </DIV><DIV>people who are paid to keep these sites alive. 4.6 was the first to live </DIV><DIV>in the "Drupal boom" era.</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Correct. And I am rather surprised that no-one does this for 4.5. The amount </DIV><DIV>of people stumbling in on this 4.5 thread shows that there clearly is a </DIV><DIV>"market" for 4.5. So: where are those that want to take that market? Where </DIV><DIV>are those with the itch for maintaining 4.5? Is it just a matter of getting </DIV><DIV>all these people together? </DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Bčr</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>