I agree on the community looking at other install systems before commiting "one installer to rule them all" to core. My vote would be for the PEAR-style or Ruby Gems style. I'm currently trying to grok the internals of each to see if it's feasible.
<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/9/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Bèr Kessels</b> <<a href="mailto:ber@webschuur.com">ber@webschuur.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Op vrijdag 9 juni 2006 21:06, schreef Gabor Hojtsy:<br>> Sometimes these replacements get<br>> into core in place of outdated stuff. This is how parts of CCK are<br>> hopefully going to get into core in place of story, page, etc modules.
<br>> This does not mean story and page should not have been there, and we<br>> should have been waiting for (a simplified) CCK all along. Or does it?<br><br>Yes. But this time we are putting somthing in that has no equivalent yet.
<br>Somthing that is not proven to the The Right Way.<br>Note that CCK is already a second revision (flexinode?) and still needs TLC as<br>well as a lot of rounds of improvment.<br><br> "There is no better test environment then the real world". (quoting no-one)
<br><br>Thing is: I investigated a lot of stuff before starting my sympal installer<br>stuff, and my conclusion was twofold:<br><br> There is *no* such thing as a safe online install system. Joomla, e.g.<br>fails on a lot (I recieved a number of 1/4th) of servers. Only servers with
<br>a *lax* security program let Joomla install itself, and write its own code<br>from the web.<br><br> Plesk and brethren (and even .debs etc) rule the market of Small Sites. IMO<br>Drupals People. I esitmated (wild guess) that over half of our Drupal
<br>installations are installed trough such systems. So: why not offer a plesk<br>installer instead? Or even better: a way to make building a<br>plesk-Drupal-instaler Very Easy. What is better: a button in plesk that says:
<br>"install Drupal" or a way to allow FTP-ing your site, browsing to some Secret<br>URL, install your Drupal-With-Drupal?<br><br>Again, I'd like to mention "staring blind". We should really move away from
<br>the idea that a web installer is crucial. And focus on the underlying issue:<br>Make *deploying* Drupal very easy. That does not start and end with a<br>web-based installer. That starts wtih a vision and a good founded "thing" to
<br>install Drupal. From whatever: Plesk, MyOSServerManager, debian, ubuntu, OSX<br>app installers, Hell, even a .exe, or .msi would be grand, or a live CD, etc.<br><br>But not by walking like geese behind all the other CMSes that have web based
<br>installers.<br><br>Bèr<br><br><br></blockquote></div><br>