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<div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; ">I think the issue is a bit more complicated than just offering money (which might help but is not the entire solution). The main problem is that the best people to help with Views 2 right now, which is the phase of basic development and where a good understanding of views is required, are people already very experienced with Views 1, which probably means that they are already involved with Views 2.</span></span></span></div><div><br></div><div>I am trying to understand the code and help but realise that even developers have little time to explain to newcomers what is going on - so there is a weird relationship where a useful but complex module like Views has many people depending on it and wanting to help but it is hard to do so because it is hard to be effective at the early stages of development. No point me installing Views 2 now, finding a bug, not really understanding what exactly is going on and wasting the developers time by reporting it when the whole codebase is in flux. Best to just let them reach a semi-stable release that can benefit from debugging, documentation, etc (which is what newbies could be most useful at).</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Perhaps the most effective thing right now would be to make it as easy as possible for merlinofchaos and the other Views experts to focus on Views 2 by relieving them of other more easy and less demanding tasks - but for a geographically distributed group of people with different organizational commitments that is not easy either.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>I hope that once a more stable version comes out I will be able to help by going through the code and commenting things and producing appropriate documentation and making it easier for more people to get involved with Views 3 at the early stages.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>In the meantime if anyone does have a good idea of how I could be useful - I have a few hours a day I could dedicate to Views 2 or CCK so just let me know - while I can code quite well my first Drupal installation was 7 weeks ago ( <a href="http://www.lovesicily.com">www.lovesicily.com</a> ) and while the Pro Drupal Development book is already wearing thin I guess I am not a Drupal expert yet.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Best,</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Ronald </div><br><div><div>On Jan 25, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Greg Knaddison - GVS wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Jan 25, 2008 11:32 AM, Gerhard Killesreiter <<a href="mailto:gerhard@killesreiter.de">gerhard@killesreiter.de</a>> wrote:</div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Steve Dondley schrieb:</div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I'd like to get some feedback. Allow me to throw some statements</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">out there and tell me if they are accurate:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">1) CCK and Views modules conversion to Drupal 6 is far behind.</div> </blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I've installed CCK on the D6 RC, found a bug which Yves fixed and it</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">appears to be working fine.</div> </blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Agreed.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>I'm running it on a site.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Works fine for me so far.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>I'm</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">sure there are bugs, but it's not unusable.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I am not up to date on views, but I think progress is being made.</div> </blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">AFAIK this is also correct that progress is being made.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> <blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">2) Many people will not even think about moving to Drupal 6 until</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">these modules are upgraded to work with Drupal 6.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">3) Therefore, Drupal 6 adoption rate will be slow.</div> </blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">If 3 is true, a worrisome development, I make the following arguments</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">(again, tell me if it's wrong):</div> </blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Considering that 1) is at least partially false, I think I don't need to</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">continue. :)</div> </blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I debated about replying earlier and saying the opposite: pooling</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">resources (and possibly creating bounties) will likely help speed</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">things up.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>I think providing testing, UI advice (views is at this</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">stage now), and code (both) is more valuable than money in this case.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">There have been please for help - interested people should visit the</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">issue queues of the respective projects to see where they can help.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">If people would rather throw money at the problem than resources, I</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">guess someone should follow up who is interested and long on time and</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">short on money to help fulfill that need ;)</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Regards,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Greg</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Greg Knaddison</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Denver, CO | <a href="http://knaddison.com">http://knaddison.com</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">World Spanish Tour | <a href="http://wanderlusting.org/user/greg">http://wanderlusting.org/user/greg</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> </blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>