I don't think the problem is difficulty of installation per se. Drush is the bee's knees and I'm definitely looking forward to a plugin manager, but personally downloading a tarball is not that tough for me. However, when you combine moderate computer skills with a total lack of knowledge about Drupal (talking about new users here :) ); I think it becomes a big obstacle. You are asking a majority of end-users to know about views--there's so much information to take in...it just doesn't make sense to me.<br>
<br>To put it another way, think of it like an api. I think someone may have mentioned this blog post before here (<a href="http://jdegoes.squarespace.com/journal/2009/5/2/good-api-design-part-1.html">http://jdegoes.squarespace.com/journal/2009/5/2/good-api-design-part-1.html</a>) but I see the essential point being the api hides all the hard, gnarly stuff so it's easy to use. What I think is interesting, is the suggestion that one breaks down the end-user time-savings vs the developer's time spent in writing more perfect code. To me, it makes sense to look at it in terms of numbers and in that case, views in core looks like a good move.<br>
<br>Additionally, I'm not being facetious or trying to be inflammatory here--what does 'lean in core' mean? We're talking about less than 20mb of code that allows novices to build $50k websites. To me, Moore's law suggests developer and end-user time + market share is more precious than hardware.<br>
<br>Thanks,<br>Tim<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Karoly Negyesi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:karoly@negyesi.net">karoly@negyesi.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
And I am glad people contributing hard to core are making such claims<br>
and writing so worthy and important followups in this thread. (Hey! I<br>
resisted writing an answer like this for two days. Not easy.)<br>
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Jim Taylor<<a href="mailto:jim@rootyhollow.com">jim@rootyhollow.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Earnie Boyd <<a href="mailto:earnie@users.sourceforge.net">earnie@users.sourceforge.net</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> BTW, the same goes for themes. Only the default garland theme needs to be<br>
>> delivered with core.<br>
><br>
> I agree with that for sure<br>
><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Tim Loudon<br>t: 781.686.6096<br>