With that combination (and a lot of work and custom code) it *is* possible to turn Organic Groups into a passable mailing list. It's not for the faint of heart however and the system we've built (for <a href="https://island.byu.edu">https://island.byu.edu</a>) isn't entirely stable yet. But it's close. I'd be happy when the time comes (i.e. d.o redesign complete) help out converting g.d.o groups so they're more list-like. Speaking from experience, it does make a groups system *much* more usable if you can start / reply-to conversations via email.<div>
<br clear="all">--Kyle Mathews<br><br><a href="http://kyle.mathews2000.com/blog">kyle.mathews2000.com/blog</a><br><a href="http://twitter.com/kylemathews">http://twitter.com/kylemathews</a><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Shai Gluskin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shai@content2zero.com">shai@content2zero.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Kieren or others,<br><br>Doesn't a properly configured combination of: Comment mail --used-to-be Mail2Web (<a href="http://drupal.org/node/634074" target="_blank">http://drupal.org/node/634074</a>), Messaging (<a href="http://drupal.org/project/messaging" target="_blank">http://drupal.org/project/messaging</a>), and Notifications (<a href="http://drupal.org/project/notifications" target="_blank">http://drupal.org/project/notifications</a>) get us exactly what we need? What would a resuscitated project/og2list get us that this combination of modules doesn't already provide?<br>
<br>I'm not saying that it's a trivial installation, especially given the scale of things. But I think, as others have hinted at, that after things settle down and the new g.d.o is launched with the d.o. upgrade --, it will be time advocate for improvements in the g.do. notifications system. I personally agree with Earl that clicking on a link in an email is fine. But I think we need to have an open discussion about what is the best notifications system that will serve the broadest range of personal work-flows so that people would feel comfortable dumping Mailman.<br>
<br>One other point in the general discussion. Some are arguing, "I like list serves, I want to do this kind of thing on email." Remember that all the people who will only follow this kind of conversation via RSS are not participating here, by definition, because Mailman doesn't do RSS.<br>
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<br>Shai</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Kieran Lal <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kieran@acquia.com" target="_blank">kieran@acquia.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Jamie Holly <<a href="mailto:hovercrafter@earthlink.net" target="_blank">hovercrafter@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> Yeah I got an email from a GDO group yesterday for a message that was posted<br>
> 4 days earlier.<br>
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> But what would be really cool, though require some custom module work, is a<br>
> way to make G.D.O operate more like Google Groups. People could choose to<br>
> use the web site and/or email - ala listserv style. Of course that would<br>
> require pumping emails through a script handler, which can be done in PHP.<br>
> It would also be a rather sweet contrib module to allow other sites to do a<br>
> similar type system.<br>
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</div>Great idea!<br>
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We started in 2005 an released it in 2006. <a href="http://drupal.org/project/og2list" target="_blank">http://drupal.org/project/og2list</a><br>
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Everybody wants it but nobody wants to fund it.<br>
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> Jamie Holly<br>
> <a href="http://www.intoxination.net" target="_blank">http://www.intoxination.net</a> <a href="http://www.hollyit.net" target="_blank">http://www.hollyit.net</a><br>
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> Earl Miles wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Until g.d.o gets actually useful email notifications, I am against this.<br>
>><br>
>> Right now, g.d.o is useless to me, because the notifications system has<br>
>> regressed.<br>
>><br>
>> (All we really need is good titling and threaded support, for my purposes.<br>
>> it doesn't need to *respond* to email, I'm perfectly ok with clicking a link<br>
>> to reply).<br>
>><br>
>> Shai Gluskin wrote:<br>
>> > I'm pulling this out as a separate thread...<br>
>> > > Jenniver wrote,<br>
>> > > Shai Gluskin wrote:<br>
>> > > 3. *Move dev list to g.d.o.* [...]<br>
>> > > > I can sympathize with your desire to have a more searchable output<br>
>> > > > for > this list, on-line forums such as g.d.o are a huge barrier to ><br>
>> > > > participation compared to email lists.<br>
>> > > So if this list is moved to g.d.o and we want it to still be a useful<br>
>> > > > list with immediate feedback and lots of participants, we would also ><br>
>> > > need to provide a way for people to participate fully via email (i.e. > make<br>
>> > > it so it looks and acts just like an email list). In which case, > the<br>
>> > > threads will look/act/search like email, and I don't think we will > have<br>
>> > > solved anything.<br>
>> > > --Jennifer<br>
>> > > My issue with the search results at ><br>
>> > > <a href="http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/development" target="_blank">http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/development</a> is not the formatting; > it's<br>
>> > > the content. Searching on terms like "module development" the top > results<br>
>> > > are from March. I mean, there really is something wrong.<br>
>> > > Given the delays in upgrading to the new d.o. design, I'm not sure<br>
>> > > where > things stand. But I know there were definitely discussions about ><br>
>> > > tweaking the notifications system and also adding Mail Comment (formerly ><br>
>> > > Mail2Web): <a href="http://drupal.org/node/634074" target="_blank">http://drupal.org/node/634074</a>. Mail Comment would allow for ><br>
>> > > replicating list serve functionality for folks who don't want to go to ><br>
>> > > g.d.o. And again... I don't care about the formatting; I want the ><br>
>> > > transparency, the integration with d.o. web sites, it running on Drupal, ><br>
>> > > and also the much more personal and community feel you get at g.d.o with ><br>
>> > > user pics/profiles etc. With Mail Comment we can have the push of the > list<br>
>> > > serve but the better functionality of g.d.o.<br>
>> > > Shai<br>
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