From drupal at rocktreesky.com Tue Feb 3 01:05:43 2009 From: drupal at rocktreesky.com (Addison Berry) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 18:05:43 -0700 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place In-Reply-To: <49737D4A.2080602@8vue.com> References: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> <49737D4A.2080602@8vue.com> Message-ID: <9184EC57-1DAA-4A03-A5D1-5C4B6DEF075B@rocktreesky.com> On Jan 18, 2009, at 2:04 PM, George wrote: >> So, I'd like to put together a site that collects these resources >> together, but not a simple aggregation site as there are also some >> not >> so excellent resources! Also, I think a simple RSS fed aggregation >> site becomes too large, difficult to search, of varying quality, and >> therefore pointless. >> >> Whether this site is to be a separate domain, or a subdomain on D.O >> is >> unknown at this point. I can't currently see it fitting into the >> current Drupal site, but with the redesign, who knows? (Hopefully >> someone does!) I think this would be easier to determine once we saw the site in action. I could also quite easily see a third-party resources "section" though. >> I'd like to have some sort of quality control, but I understand one >> man's rubbish is another man's gold. However, we all know quality >> when >> we see it. Should there be some sort of community voting? I'm not so >> sure, I don't believe in +1, nor stars as these can be easily >> manipulated, and people vote for different reasons, not just the >> usefulness of the content involved. Agreed, this is the tricky bit of having moderated content vs. whole- sale aggregation. I don't know what the answer is in terms of the community. If it is your personal site, well you get to decide what goes in and what doesn't. :-) If it would be a larger Drupal community site, then there would need to some clearly defined criteria for what would be added. Not sure how narrowly that can be defined though. :-/ >> Maybe there should be a team of >> people who say 'this goes whilst this stays'? Would you be interested >> in helping out here? I personally would not want to get into that game unless there were clear criteria that made it less a personal judgment call. I don't have the energy for endless battles with people over why I didn't include their work while adding some rivals. I'm definitely not saying that have a team of moderators to sift through content is bad at all, simply that it isn't something I myself would have time/energy for these days. >> Also, I'd like some sort of community to be built around the site to >> encourage people coming back to the site, maybe to add their own >> tuition videos, add new presentations, make requests maybe etc. I'd >> like to encourage people to ask questions on the video, like in a >> comments structure maybe, so that questions and answers are in a sane >> place. And, to encourage video/slide makers to supply some notes to >> fill in hte missing gaps. I have no idea what format to structure >> this >> community around, so once again, ideas would be welcomed! Sounds ambitious (not that that's bad!). I know that for me it takes a lot of work just to get videos/tutorials done and put out. While I try to keep minimal tabs on the stuff once I release, I really don't have the time for extended care and feeding. The other thing to keep in mind, is if folks release something on their site and it gets added to your site, you now have two places for conversations to happen which can cause forking of discussions and repetition. I don't even have time to keep up with the discussions on my own (or company) site where I release stuff, much less yet another site too. Just something to think about. All-in-all I think the overall idea is good, though tricky to implement well. I'd love to see this site and have a chance to try ideas out and see if a solid solution could be distilled that we could use on d.o. It would be an amazing resource, so please make sure you keep us in the loop as you work on it. - Addi From kvantomme at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 19:09:13 2009 From: kvantomme at gmail.com (Kristof Van Tomme) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 20:09:13 +0100 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place In-Reply-To: <9184EC57-1DAA-4A03-A5D1-5C4B6DEF075B@rocktreesky.com> References: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> <49737D4A.2080602@8vue.com> <9184EC57-1DAA-4A03-A5D1-5C4B6DEF075B@rocktreesky.com> Message-ID: George, I would love to work with you on this resource collection system. Especially if we can make this resource collection multi-lingual this could be of great value. -Probably for bandwidth reasons it would be easiest to implement this as a sort of bookmark service. -Resources captured on Drupal events should be a great way to create a basic resource library (e.g. movies from Drupalcons) -You could implement a policy of quality comments (e.g. rating) on the resource site, content comments on the site where the resource is hosted to prevent duplication. -I'm a bit afraid of the energy aspect that Addi pointed out, especially if it's only a few people that are pushing this project, it's going to get though to find the energy after a couple of months of resource collecting. So it will be important to make it really simple to add resources (e.g. with bookmarklets). Which brings me to one of the projects we've been working on: Some time ago I started playing with knowledge management in Drupal, back then I made this proof of concept site druplet.org: you define a problem you are trying to solve and then with a with a bookmarklet you submit text snippets that help you solve the problem. So while you do your research you build a "knowledge trail" for future reference that also becomes a resource for the community. It's built on top of neologism a semantic web project from Stephane Corlosquet, which adds some cool possibilities to reuse the knowledge vocabulary that is being built, but that doesn't really matter for the end user. We could expand this site so that it gets more intuitive to submit other types of resources than text (e.g. video and audio). I've got a movie up about this project at http://www.pronovix.com/solution/druplet-knowledge-management-system-drupal-built-drupal you can also check it out live at druplet.org Cheers, Kristof ***************************** I blog at http://www.pronovix.com/blog Twitter at http://twitter.com/kvantomme You can find my profiles on LinkedIn at http://www.linkedin.com/in/kvantomme XING at https://www.xing.com/profile/Kristof_VanTomme and Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/people/Kristof-Van-Tomme/618847872 2009/2/3 Addison Berry : > > On Jan 18, 2009, at 2:04 PM, George wrote: > >>> So, I'd like to put together a site that collects these resources >>> together, but not a simple aggregation site as there are also some >>> not >>> so excellent resources! Also, I think a simple RSS fed aggregation >>> site becomes too large, difficult to search, of varying quality, and >>> therefore pointless. >>> >>> Whether this site is to be a separate domain, or a subdomain on D.O >>> is >>> unknown at this point. I can't currently see it fitting into the >>> current Drupal site, but with the redesign, who knows? (Hopefully >>> someone does!) > > I think this would be easier to determine once we saw the site in > action. I could also quite easily see a third-party resources > "section" though. > >>> I'd like to have some sort of quality control, but I understand one >>> man's rubbish is another man's gold. However, we all know quality >>> when >>> we see it. Should there be some sort of community voting? I'm not so >>> sure, I don't believe in +1, nor stars as these can be easily >>> manipulated, and people vote for different reasons, not just the >>> usefulness of the content involved. > > Agreed, this is the tricky bit of having moderated content vs. whole- > sale aggregation. I don't know what the answer is in terms of the > community. If it is your personal site, well you get to decide what > goes in and what doesn't. :-) If it would be a larger Drupal community > site, then there would need to some clearly defined criteria for what > would be added. Not sure how narrowly that can be defined though. :-/ > >>> Maybe there should be a team of >>> people who say 'this goes whilst this stays'? Would you be interested >>> in helping out here? > > I personally would not want to get into that game unless there were > clear criteria that made it less a personal judgment call. I don't > have the energy for endless battles with people over why I didn't > include their work while adding some rivals. I'm definitely not saying > that have a team of moderators to sift through content is bad at all, > simply that it isn't something I myself would have time/energy for > these days. > >>> Also, I'd like some sort of community to be built around the site to >>> encourage people coming back to the site, maybe to add their own >>> tuition videos, add new presentations, make requests maybe etc. I'd >>> like to encourage people to ask questions on the video, like in a >>> comments structure maybe, so that questions and answers are in a sane >>> place. And, to encourage video/slide makers to supply some notes to >>> fill in hte missing gaps. I have no idea what format to structure >>> this >>> community around, so once again, ideas would be welcomed! > > Sounds ambitious (not that that's bad!). I know that for me it takes a > lot of work just to get videos/tutorials done and put out. While I try > to keep minimal tabs on the stuff once I release, I really don't have > the time for extended care and feeding. The other thing to keep in > mind, is if folks release something on their site and it gets added to > your site, you now have two places for conversations to happen which > can cause forking of discussions and repetition. I don't even have > time to keep up with the discussions on my own (or company) site where > I release stuff, much less yet another site too. Just something to > think about. > > All-in-all I think the overall idea is good, though tricky to > implement well. I'd love to see this site and have a chance to try > ideas out and see if a solid solution could be distilled that we could > use on d.o. It would be an amazing resource, so please make sure you > keep us in the loop as you work on it. > > - Addi > > > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > From g at 8vue.com Wed Feb 4 21:36:38 2009 From: g at 8vue.com (George) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:36:38 +0100 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place In-Reply-To: References: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> <49737D4A.2080602@8vue.com> <9184EC57-1DAA-4A03-A5D1-5C4B6DEF075B@rocktreesky.com> Message-ID: <498A0A66.7040307@8vue.com> Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. That's why I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) to allow the site to grow. Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that was the forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! maybe it would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway to track the comments on the original site... Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would assume as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, or kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different explanations of a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they favour one particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for videos. After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) how to create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed off with it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them off for the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better vids, which they'd be feeding directly to the site. I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200 gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under cck wouldn't turn me on. in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk of being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these two. Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting resources to the site - so constructive criticism should be given where necessary. On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and start with the core goal, and hopefully work outwards! Any other ideas/suggestions? From kvantomme at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 22:06:00 2009 From: kvantomme at gmail.com (Kristof Van Tomme) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 23:06:00 +0100 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place In-Reply-To: <498A0A66.7040307@8vue.com> References: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> <49737D4A.2080602@8vue.com> <9184EC57-1DAA-4A03-A5D1-5C4B6DEF075B@rocktreesky.com> <498A0A66.7040307@8vue.com> Message-ID: Hi George, I'm not sure if you got my email, the only reference I see is about the bookmarks. What about -multi-lingual resources? -my offer to help? -There is a big chance I'll be involved in the video team at the next European Drupalcon (e.g. for sure if Maastricht wins, possibly if Paris wins). -I have access to the Szeged video material (we put it online). But if you want to go it alone good luck =D Cheers, Kristof 2009/2/4 George : > Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. That's why > I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as > possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) to > allow the site to grow. > > Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that was the > forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! maybe it > would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway to track > the comments on the original site... > > Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would assume > as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, or > kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different explanations of > a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have > different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they favour one > particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for videos. > > After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) how to > create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed off with > it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a > gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them off for > the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better vids, which > they'd be feeding directly to the site. > > I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200 > gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under cck > wouldn't turn me on. > > in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be > effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk of > being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these two. > Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting resources to > the site - so constructive criticism should be given where necessary. > > On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and start with > the core goal, and hopefully work outwards! > > Any other ideas/suggestions? > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > From g at 8vue.com Wed Feb 4 22:48:46 2009 From: g at 8vue.com (George) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:48:46 +0100 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place In-Reply-To: References: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> <49737D4A.2080602@8vue.com> <9184EC57-1DAA-4A03-A5D1-5C4B6DEF075B@rocktreesky.com> <498A0A66.7040307@8vue.com> Message-ID: <498A1B4E.50708@8vue.com> Kristof, heck yeah, i'd love any help i can get :) i just haven't thought that far ahead and really shouldn't be writing emails late at night! please send me your email, so i can contact you directly. Kristof Van Tomme wrote: > Hi George, > > I'm not sure if you got my email, the only reference I see is about > the bookmarks. > > What about > -multi-lingual resources? > -my offer to help? > > > -There is a big chance I'll be involved in the video team at the next > European Drupalcon (e.g. for sure if Maastricht wins, possibly if > Paris wins). > -I have access to the Szeged video material (we put it online). > > > But if you want to go it alone good luck =D > > Cheers, > Kristof > > > > > 2009/2/4 George : > >> Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. That's why >> I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as >> possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) to >> allow the site to grow. >> >> Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that was the >> forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! maybe it >> would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway to track >> the comments on the original site... >> >> Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would assume >> as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, or >> kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different explanations of >> a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have >> different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they favour one >> particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for videos. >> >> After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) how to >> create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed off with >> it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a >> gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them off for >> the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better vids, which >> they'd be feeding directly to the site. >> >> I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200 >> gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under cck >> wouldn't turn me on. >> >> in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be >> effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk of >> being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these two. >> Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting resources to >> the site - so constructive criticism should be given where necessary. >> >> On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and start with >> the core goal, and hopefully work outwards! >> >> Any other ideas/suggestions? >> -- >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> >> > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > From g at 8vue.com Thu Feb 5 01:09:07 2009 From: g at 8vue.com (George) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:09:07 -0000 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place Message-ID: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> Hi everyone, As I (George2) sit in the IRC channels, I sometimes hear about webinars or slide presentations that I wouldn't have known about otherwise. These are great resources for the Drupal community that don't have the exposure they deserve. There are many excellent Drupal articles, presentations, videos etc scattered about the internet that are time consuming to locate and watch (if at all they are indexed), and as some overlap in content - there are many for themeing for example - it could be a waste of time. So, I'd like to put together a site that collects these resources together, but not a simple aggregation site as there are also some not so excellent resources! Also, I think a simple RSS fed aggregation site becomes too large, difficult to search, of varying quality, and therefore pointless. Whether this site is to be a separate domain, or a subdomain on D.O is unknown at this point. I can't currently see it fitting into the current Drupal site, but with the redesign, who knows? (Hopefully someone does!) I've already put forward a brief idea to the assoc about this, but I wanted to bounce some ideas around, and ask for some ideas and help, and webchick pointed me to this list (so blame her!) I'd like to have some sort of quality control, but I understand one man's rubbish is another man's gold. However, we all know quality when we see it. Should there be some sort of community voting? I'm not so sure, I don't believe in +1, nor stars as these can be easily manipulated, and people vote for different reasons, not just the usefulness of the content involved. Maybe there should be a team of people who say 'this goes whilst this stays'? I'd also like to have some sort of way that people who want to announce a live presentation / uploading of a seminar has completed, and it can be added to the site in some sort of updates section for everyone to see. I'd imagine this could be published as an RSS feed, but as for aggregating the content, I'm not so sure. What do you think? Also, I'd like some sort of community to be built around the site to encourage people coming back to the site, maybe to add their own tuition videos, add new presentations, make requests maybe etc. I'd like to encourage people to ask questions on the video, like in a comments structure maybe, so that questions and answers are in a sane place. And, to encourage video/slide makers to supply some notes to fill in hte missing gaps. I have no idea what format to structure this community around, so once again, ideas would be welcomed! Any other ideas you think would work for such a resource site? Ok, that's enough for now, thanks for the ears! From gus at pepperalley.com Thu Feb 5 09:21:32 2009 From: gus at pepperalley.com (Gus Austin) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 01:21:32 -0800 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place In-Reply-To: <498A1B4E.50708@8vue.com> References: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> <49737D4A.2080602@8vue.com> <9184EC57-1DAA-4A03-A5D1-5C4B6DEF075B@rocktreesky.com> <498A0A66.7040307@8vue.com> <498A1B4E.50708@8vue.com> Message-ID: Hi, I chatted to George in the IRC about some projects/initiatives complimentary to what's being discussed here. The following thread should give you some background and an idea how things are moving forward with one of them - http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832 The aggregation element has been broken out into it's own subproject ( http://groups.drupal.org/node/16873) and the goal is to create something modular that could easily be set up on the Dojo site, on official channels (g.d.o./d.o.), or anywhere else it would make sense. There's already a good foundation, skilled team coming together, and it would great to combine forces build something that would be very valuable to the community. Come join the fun! On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:48 PM, George wrote: > Kristof, heck yeah, i'd love any help i can get :) i just haven't > thought that far ahead and really shouldn't be writing emails late at > night! please send me your email, so i can contact you directly. > > Kristof Van Tomme wrote: > > Hi George, > > > > I'm not sure if you got my email, the only reference I see is about > > the bookmarks. > > > > What about > > -multi-lingual resources? > > -my offer to help? > > > > > > -There is a big chance I'll be involved in the video team at the next > > European Drupalcon (e.g. for sure if Maastricht wins, possibly if > > Paris wins). > > -I have access to the Szeged video material (we put it online). > > > > > > But if you want to go it alone good luck =D > > > > Cheers, > > Kristof > > > > > > > > > > 2009/2/4 George : > > > >> Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. That's why > >> I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as > >> possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) to > >> allow the site to grow. > >> > >> Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that was the > >> forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! maybe it > >> would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway to track > >> the comments on the original site... > >> > >> Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would assume > >> as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, or > >> kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different explanations of > >> a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have > >> different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they favour one > >> particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for videos. > >> > >> After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) how to > >> create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed off with > >> it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a > >> gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them off for > >> the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better vids, which > >> they'd be feeding directly to the site. > >> > >> I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200 > >> gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under cck > >> wouldn't turn me on. > >> > >> in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be > >> effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk of > >> being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these two. > >> Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting resources to > >> the site - so constructive criticism should be given where necessary. > >> > >> On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and start with > >> the core goal, and hopefully work outwards! > >> > >> Any other ideas/suggestions? > >> -- > >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >> > >> > > -- > > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > > > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/attachments/20090205/54726568/attachment-0001.htm From kvantomme at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 09:52:58 2009 From: kvantomme at gmail.com (Kristof Van Tomme) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:52:58 +0100 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place In-Reply-To: References: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> <49737D4A.2080602@8vue.com> <9184EC57-1DAA-4A03-A5D1-5C4B6DEF075B@rocktreesky.com> <498A0A66.7040307@8vue.com> <498A1B4E.50708@8vue.com> Message-ID: Hi, Can we maybe have a Skype meetup on the topic? I made a doodle, so if you are interested, just sign up http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu cheers, Kristof 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : > Hi, > > I chatted to George in the IRC about some projects/initiatives complimentary > to what's being discussed here. The following thread should give you some > background and an idea how things are moving forward with one of them - > http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832 > > The aggregation element has been broken out into it's own subproject > (http://groups.drupal.org/node/16873) and the goal is to create something > modular that could easily be set up on the Dojo site, on official channels > (g.d.o./d.o.), or anywhere else it would make sense. > > There's already a good foundation, skilled team coming together, and it > would great to combine forces build something that would be very valuable to > the community. > > Come join the fun! > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:48 PM, George wrote: >> >> Kristof, heck yeah, i'd love any help i can get :) i just haven't >> thought that far ahead and really shouldn't be writing emails late at >> night! please send me your email, so i can contact you directly. >> >> Kristof Van Tomme wrote: >> > Hi George, >> > >> > I'm not sure if you got my email, the only reference I see is about >> > the bookmarks. >> > >> > What about >> > -multi-lingual resources? >> > -my offer to help? >> > >> > >> > -There is a big chance I'll be involved in the video team at the next >> > European Drupalcon (e.g. for sure if Maastricht wins, possibly if >> > Paris wins). >> > -I have access to the Szeged video material (we put it online). >> > >> > >> > But if you want to go it alone good luck =D >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Kristof >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 2009/2/4 George : >> > >> >> Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. That's why >> >> I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as >> >> possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) to >> >> allow the site to grow. >> >> >> >> Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that was the >> >> forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! maybe it >> >> would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway to track >> >> the comments on the original site... >> >> >> >> Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would assume >> >> as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, or >> >> kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different explanations of >> >> a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have >> >> different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they favour one >> >> particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for videos. >> >> >> >> After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) how to >> >> create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed off >> >> with >> >> it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a >> >> gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them off for >> >> the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better vids, which >> >> they'd be feeding directly to the site. >> >> >> >> I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200 >> >> gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under cck >> >> wouldn't turn me on. >> >> >> >> in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be >> >> effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk of >> >> being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these two. >> >> Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting resources to >> >> the site - so constructive criticism should be given where necessary. >> >> >> >> On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and start >> >> with >> >> the core goal, and hopefully work outwards! >> >> >> >> Any other ideas/suggestions? >> >> -- >> >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> >> >> >> >> > -- >> > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> > >> >> -- >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > From drupal at rocktreesky.com Thu Feb 5 14:58:39 2009 From: drupal at rocktreesky.com (Addison Berry) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 07:58:39 -0700 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place In-Reply-To: References: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> <49737D4A.2080602@8vue.com> <9184EC57-1DAA-4A03-A5D1-5C4B6DEF075B@rocktreesky.com> <498A0A66.7040307@8vue.com> <498A1B4E.50708@8vue.com> Message-ID: <7471C3CC-F15A-480F-98F1-87034A6D1575@rocktreesky.com> I have plugged in some times that I'm available, but I do not consider myself essential in any way, so if a better time works for everyone else, please go with it. - Addi On Feb 5, 2009, at 2:52 AM, Kristof Van Tomme wrote: > Hi, > > Can we maybe have a Skype meetup on the topic? > > I made a doodle, so if you are interested, just sign up > http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu > > cheers, > Kristof > > > > 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : >> Hi, >> >> I chatted to George in the IRC about some projects/initiatives >> complimentary >> to what's being discussed here. The following thread should give >> you some >> background and an idea how things are moving forward with one of >> them - >> http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832 >> >> The aggregation element has been broken out into it's own subproject >> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/16873) and the goal is to create >> something >> modular that could easily be set up on the Dojo site, on official >> channels >> (g.d.o./d.o.), or anywhere else it would make sense. >> >> There's already a good foundation, skilled team coming together, >> and it >> would great to combine forces build something that would be very >> valuable to >> the community. >> >> Come join the fun! >> >> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:48 PM, George wrote: >>> >>> Kristof, heck yeah, i'd love any help i can get :) i just haven't >>> thought that far ahead and really shouldn't be writing emails late >>> at >>> night! please send me your email, so i can contact you directly. >>> >>> Kristof Van Tomme wrote: >>>> Hi George, >>>> >>>> I'm not sure if you got my email, the only reference I see is about >>>> the bookmarks. >>>> >>>> What about >>>> -multi-lingual resources? >>>> -my offer to help? >>>> >>>> >>>> -There is a big chance I'll be involved in the video team at the >>>> next >>>> European Drupalcon (e.g. for sure if Maastricht wins, possibly if >>>> Paris wins). >>>> -I have access to the Szeged video material (we put it online). >>>> >>>> >>>> But if you want to go it alone good luck =D >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Kristof >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2009/2/4 George : >>>> >>>>> Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. >>>>> That's why >>>>> I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as >>>>> possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) >>>>> to >>>>> allow the site to grow. >>>>> >>>>> Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that >>>>> was the >>>>> forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! >>>>> maybe it >>>>> would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway >>>>> to track >>>>> the comments on the original site... >>>>> >>>>> Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would >>>>> assume >>>>> as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, >>>>> or >>>>> kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different >>>>> explanations of >>>>> a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have >>>>> different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they >>>>> favour one >>>>> particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for >>>>> videos. >>>>> >>>>> After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) >>>>> how to >>>>> create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed >>>>> off >>>>> with >>>>> it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a >>>>> gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them >>>>> off for >>>>> the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better >>>>> vids, which >>>>> they'd be feeding directly to the site. >>>>> >>>>> I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200 >>>>> gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under >>>>> cck >>>>> wouldn't turn me on. >>>>> >>>>> in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be >>>>> effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk >>>>> of >>>>> being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these >>>>> two. >>>>> Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting >>>>> resources to >>>>> the site - so constructive criticism should be given where >>>>> necessary. >>>>> >>>>> On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and >>>>> start >>>>> with >>>>> the core goal, and hopefully work outwards! >>>>> >>>>> Any other ideas/suggestions? >>>>> -- >>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> >> >> -- >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ From g at 8vue.com Thu Feb 5 17:57:13 2009 From: g at 8vue.com (George) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:57:13 +0100 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place In-Reply-To: <7471C3CC-F15A-480F-98F1-87034A6D1575@rocktreesky.com> References: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> <49737D4A.2080602@8vue.com> <9184EC57-1DAA-4A03-A5D1-5C4B6DEF075B@rocktreesky.com> <498A0A66.7040307@8vue.com> <498A1B4E.50708@8vue.com> <7471C3CC-F15A-480F-98F1-87034A6D1575@rocktreesky.com> Message-ID: <498B2879.9060809@8vue.com> ok, i've put some times in too! Addison Berry wrote: > I have plugged in some times that I'm available, but I do not consider > myself essential in any way, so if a better time works for everyone > else, please go with it. > > - Addi > > On Feb 5, 2009, at 2:52 AM, Kristof Van Tomme wrote: > > >> Hi, >> >> Can we maybe have a Skype meetup on the topic? >> >> I made a doodle, so if you are interested, just sign up >> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu >> >> cheers, >> Kristof >> >> >> >> 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I chatted to George in the IRC about some projects/initiatives >>> complimentary >>> to what's being discussed here. The following thread should give >>> you some >>> background and an idea how things are moving forward with one of >>> them - >>> http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832 >>> >>> The aggregation element has been broken out into it's own subproject >>> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/16873) and the goal is to create >>> something >>> modular that could easily be set up on the Dojo site, on official >>> channels >>> (g.d.o./d.o.), or anywhere else it would make sense. >>> >>> There's already a good foundation, skilled team coming together, >>> and it >>> would great to combine forces build something that would be very >>> valuable to >>> the community. >>> >>> Come join the fun! >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:48 PM, George wrote: >>> >>>> Kristof, heck yeah, i'd love any help i can get :) i just haven't >>>> thought that far ahead and really shouldn't be writing emails late >>>> at >>>> night! please send me your email, so i can contact you directly. >>>> >>>> Kristof Van Tomme wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi George, >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure if you got my email, the only reference I see is about >>>>> the bookmarks. >>>>> >>>>> What about >>>>> -multi-lingual resources? >>>>> -my offer to help? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -There is a big chance I'll be involved in the video team at the >>>>> next >>>>> European Drupalcon (e.g. for sure if Maastricht wins, possibly if >>>>> Paris wins). >>>>> -I have access to the Szeged video material (we put it online). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But if you want to go it alone good luck =D >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Kristof >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2009/2/4 George : >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. >>>>>> That's why >>>>>> I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as >>>>>> possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) >>>>>> to >>>>>> allow the site to grow. >>>>>> >>>>>> Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that >>>>>> was the >>>>>> forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! >>>>>> maybe it >>>>>> would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway >>>>>> to track >>>>>> the comments on the original site... >>>>>> >>>>>> Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would >>>>>> assume >>>>>> as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, >>>>>> or >>>>>> kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different >>>>>> explanations of >>>>>> a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have >>>>>> different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they >>>>>> favour one >>>>>> particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for >>>>>> videos. >>>>>> >>>>>> After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) >>>>>> how to >>>>>> create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed >>>>>> off >>>>>> with >>>>>> it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a >>>>>> gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them >>>>>> off for >>>>>> the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better >>>>>> vids, which >>>>>> they'd be feeding directly to the site. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200 >>>>>> gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under >>>>>> cck >>>>>> wouldn't turn me on. >>>>>> >>>>>> in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be >>>>>> effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk >>>>>> of >>>>>> being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these >>>>>> two. >>>>>> Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting >>>>>> resources to >>>>>> the site - so constructive criticism should be given where >>>>>> necessary. >>>>>> >>>>>> On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and >>>>>> start >>>>>> with >>>>>> the core goal, and hopefully work outwards! >>>>>> >>>>>> Any other ideas/suggestions? >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>> >>> -- >>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>> >>> >> -- >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > From gus at pepperalley.com Thu Feb 5 18:12:18 2009 From: gus at pepperalley.com (Gus Austin) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:12:18 -0800 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place In-Reply-To: <498B2879.9060809@8vue.com> References: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> <9184EC57-1DAA-4A03-A5D1-5C4B6DEF075B@rocktreesky.com> <498A0A66.7040307@8vue.com> <498A1B4E.50708@8vue.com> <7471C3CC-F15A-480F-98F1-87034A6D1575@rocktreesky.com> <498B2879.9060809@8vue.com> Message-ID: I was planning on scheduling another planning session (looks like Monday or Tuesday might work best) using Dojo's Dimdim ( http://groups.drupal.org/node/17806) to get everyone on the same page for the Dojo project. As previously mentioned, the aggregation element is a top priority. Would be great to have Addi involved in the convo, but either way, she has a good deal of knowledge about the Dojo and will make sure that any innovation makes it back into the official documentation. If that sounds good, I'll schedule a session for early next week and we'll keep the conversations going in the Drupal Groups (this is a good thread to jump in - http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832) and #drupal-dojo IRC. On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:57 AM, George wrote: > ok, i've put some times in too! > > Addison Berry wrote: > > I have plugged in some times that I'm available, but I do not consider > > myself essential in any way, so if a better time works for everyone > > else, please go with it. > > > > - Addi > > > > On Feb 5, 2009, at 2:52 AM, Kristof Van Tomme wrote: > > > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Can we maybe have a Skype meetup on the topic? > >> > >> I made a doodle, so if you are interested, just sign up > >> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu > >> > >> cheers, > >> Kristof > >> > >> > >> > >> 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> I chatted to George in the IRC about some projects/initiatives > >>> complimentary > >>> to what's being discussed here. The following thread should give > >>> you some > >>> background and an idea how things are moving forward with one of > >>> them - > >>> http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832 > >>> > >>> The aggregation element has been broken out into it's own subproject > >>> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/16873) and the goal is to create > >>> something > >>> modular that could easily be set up on the Dojo site, on official > >>> channels > >>> (g.d.o./d.o.), or anywhere else it would make sense. > >>> > >>> There's already a good foundation, skilled team coming together, > >>> and it > >>> would great to combine forces build something that would be very > >>> valuable to > >>> the community. > >>> > >>> Come join the fun! > >>> > >>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:48 PM, George wrote: > >>> > >>>> Kristof, heck yeah, i'd love any help i can get :) i just haven't > >>>> thought that far ahead and really shouldn't be writing emails late > >>>> at > >>>> night! please send me your email, so i can contact you directly. > >>>> > >>>> Kristof Van Tomme wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi George, > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm not sure if you got my email, the only reference I see is about > >>>>> the bookmarks. > >>>>> > >>>>> What about > >>>>> -multi-lingual resources? > >>>>> -my offer to help? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -There is a big chance I'll be involved in the video team at the > >>>>> next > >>>>> European Drupalcon (e.g. for sure if Maastricht wins, possibly if > >>>>> Paris wins). > >>>>> -I have access to the Szeged video material (we put it online). > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> But if you want to go it alone good luck =D > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> Kristof > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> 2009/2/4 George : > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. > >>>>>> That's why > >>>>>> I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as > >>>>>> possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> allow the site to grow. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that > >>>>>> was the > >>>>>> forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! > >>>>>> maybe it > >>>>>> would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway > >>>>>> to track > >>>>>> the comments on the original site... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would > >>>>>> assume > >>>>>> as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, > >>>>>> or > >>>>>> kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different > >>>>>> explanations of > >>>>>> a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have > >>>>>> different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they > >>>>>> favour one > >>>>>> particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for > >>>>>> videos. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) > >>>>>> how to > >>>>>> create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed > >>>>>> off > >>>>>> with > >>>>>> it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a > >>>>>> gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them > >>>>>> off for > >>>>>> the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better > >>>>>> vids, which > >>>>>> they'd be feeding directly to the site. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200 > >>>>>> gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under > >>>>>> cck > >>>>>> wouldn't turn me on. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be > >>>>>> effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these > >>>>>> two. > >>>>>> Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting > >>>>>> resources to > >>>>>> the site - so constructive criticism should be given where > >>>>>> necessary. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and > >>>>>> start > >>>>>> with > >>>>>> the core goal, and hopefully work outwards! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Any other ideas/suggestions? > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>>> > >>> -- > >>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >> > > > > -- > > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > > > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/attachments/20090205/4809b265/attachment-0001.htm From kvantomme at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 23:37:15 2009 From: kvantomme at gmail.com (Kristof Van Tomme) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 00:37:15 +0100 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place In-Reply-To: References: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> <498A0A66.7040307@8vue.com> <498A1B4E.50708@8vue.com> <7471C3CC-F15A-480F-98F1-87034A6D1575@rocktreesky.com> <498B2879.9060809@8vue.com> Message-ID: Hi Gus, and all others interested in Drupal resource aggregation, We can of course hold that meeting at the Dojo's Dimdim, either Monday or Tuesday 6pm seems to be an option right now. If you haven't signed up yet but you would like to be part of the brainstorming vote at: http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu cheers, Kristof 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : > I was planning on scheduling another planning session (looks like Monday or > Tuesday might work best) using Dojo's Dimdim > (http://groups.drupal.org/node/17806) to get everyone on the same page for > the Dojo project. As previously mentioned, the aggregation element is a top > priority. > > Would be great to have Addi involved in the convo, but either way, she has a > good deal of knowledge about the Dojo and will make sure that any innovation > makes it back into the official documentation. > > If that sounds good, I'll schedule a session for early next week and we'll > keep the conversations going in the Drupal Groups (this is a good thread to > jump in - http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832) and #drupal-dojo IRC. > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:57 AM, George wrote: >> >> ok, i've put some times in too! >> >> Addison Berry wrote: >> > I have plugged in some times that I'm available, but I do not consider >> > myself essential in any way, so if a better time works for everyone >> > else, please go with it. >> > >> > - Addi >> > >> > On Feb 5, 2009, at 2:52 AM, Kristof Van Tomme wrote: >> > >> > >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Can we maybe have a Skype meetup on the topic? >> >> >> >> I made a doodle, so if you are interested, just sign up >> >> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu >> >> >> >> cheers, >> >> Kristof >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : >> >> >> >>> Hi, >> >>> >> >>> I chatted to George in the IRC about some projects/initiatives >> >>> complimentary >> >>> to what's being discussed here. The following thread should give >> >>> you some >> >>> background and an idea how things are moving forward with one of >> >>> them - >> >>> http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832 >> >>> >> >>> The aggregation element has been broken out into it's own subproject >> >>> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/16873) and the goal is to create >> >>> something >> >>> modular that could easily be set up on the Dojo site, on official >> >>> channels >> >>> (g.d.o./d.o.), or anywhere else it would make sense. >> >>> >> >>> There's already a good foundation, skilled team coming together, >> >>> and it >> >>> would great to combine forces build something that would be very >> >>> valuable to >> >>> the community. >> >>> >> >>> Come join the fun! >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:48 PM, George wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Kristof, heck yeah, i'd love any help i can get :) i just haven't >> >>>> thought that far ahead and really shouldn't be writing emails late >> >>>> at >> >>>> night! please send me your email, so i can contact you directly. >> >>>> >> >>>> Kristof Van Tomme wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Hi George, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I'm not sure if you got my email, the only reference I see is about >> >>>>> the bookmarks. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> What about >> >>>>> -multi-lingual resources? >> >>>>> -my offer to help? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -There is a big chance I'll be involved in the video team at the >> >>>>> next >> >>>>> European Drupalcon (e.g. for sure if Maastricht wins, possibly if >> >>>>> Paris wins). >> >>>>> -I have access to the Szeged video material (we put it online). >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> But if you want to go it alone good luck =D >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Cheers, >> >>>>> Kristof >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> 2009/2/4 George : >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. >> >>>>>> That's why >> >>>>>> I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as >> >>>>>> possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) >> >>>>>> to >> >>>>>> allow the site to grow. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that >> >>>>>> was the >> >>>>>> forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! >> >>>>>> maybe it >> >>>>>> would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway >> >>>>>> to track >> >>>>>> the comments on the original site... >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would >> >>>>>> assume >> >>>>>> as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, >> >>>>>> or >> >>>>>> kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different >> >>>>>> explanations of >> >>>>>> a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have >> >>>>>> different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they >> >>>>>> favour one >> >>>>>> particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for >> >>>>>> videos. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) >> >>>>>> how to >> >>>>>> create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed >> >>>>>> off >> >>>>>> with >> >>>>>> it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a >> >>>>>> gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them >> >>>>>> off for >> >>>>>> the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better >> >>>>>> vids, which >> >>>>>> they'd be feeding directly to the site. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200 >> >>>>>> gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under >> >>>>>> cck >> >>>>>> wouldn't turn me on. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be >> >>>>>> effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk >> >>>>>> of >> >>>>>> being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these >> >>>>>> two. >> >>>>>> Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting >> >>>>>> resources to >> >>>>>> the site - so constructive criticism should be given where >> >>>>>> necessary. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and >> >>>>>> start >> >>>>>> with >> >>>>>> the core goal, and hopefully work outwards! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Any other ideas/suggestions? >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> >>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> >>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> >>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> >>>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> >>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> >>> >> >>> >> >> -- >> >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> > >> >> -- >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > From kvantomme at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 22:40:02 2009 From: kvantomme at gmail.com (Kristof Van Tomme) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 23:40:02 +0100 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place In-Reply-To: References: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> <498A0A66.7040307@8vue.com> <498A1B4E.50708@8vue.com> <7471C3CC-F15A-480F-98F1-87034A6D1575@rocktreesky.com> <498B2879.9060809@8vue.com> Message-ID: Interested in Drupal materials infrastructure? Meet us at the Dojo's Dimdim tomorrow (Tuesday) at 6pm CET+1 - check your timezone! If you want to join but you didn't sign up on the doodle poll yet: http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu I haven't used the Dojo Dimdim yet, so Addi or Gus can you take the lead? cheers, Kristof 2009/2/6 Kristof Van Tomme : > Hi Gus, and all others interested in Drupal resource aggregation, > > We can of course hold that meeting at the Dojo's Dimdim, either Monday > or Tuesday 6pm seems to be an option right now. > > If you haven't signed up yet but you would like to be part of the > brainstorming vote at: > http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu > > cheers, > Kristof > > > 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : >> I was planning on scheduling another planning session (looks like Monday or >> Tuesday might work best) using Dojo's Dimdim >> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/17806) to get everyone on the same page for >> the Dojo project. As previously mentioned, the aggregation element is a top >> priority. >> >> Would be great to have Addi involved in the convo, but either way, she has a >> good deal of knowledge about the Dojo and will make sure that any innovation >> makes it back into the official documentation. >> >> If that sounds good, I'll schedule a session for early next week and we'll >> keep the conversations going in the Drupal Groups (this is a good thread to >> jump in - http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832) and #drupal-dojo IRC. >> >> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:57 AM, George wrote: >>> >>> ok, i've put some times in too! >>> >>> Addison Berry wrote: >>> > I have plugged in some times that I'm available, but I do not consider >>> > myself essential in any way, so if a better time works for everyone >>> > else, please go with it. >>> > >>> > - Addi >>> > >>> > On Feb 5, 2009, at 2:52 AM, Kristof Van Tomme wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> >> Hi, >>> >> >>> >> Can we maybe have a Skype meetup on the topic? >>> >> >>> >> I made a doodle, so if you are interested, just sign up >>> >> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu >>> >> >>> >> cheers, >>> >> Kristof >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : >>> >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> I chatted to George in the IRC about some projects/initiatives >>> >>> complimentary >>> >>> to what's being discussed here. The following thread should give >>> >>> you some >>> >>> background and an idea how things are moving forward with one of >>> >>> them - >>> >>> http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832 >>> >>> >>> >>> The aggregation element has been broken out into it's own subproject >>> >>> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/16873) and the goal is to create >>> >>> something >>> >>> modular that could easily be set up on the Dojo site, on official >>> >>> channels >>> >>> (g.d.o./d.o.), or anywhere else it would make sense. >>> >>> >>> >>> There's already a good foundation, skilled team coming together, >>> >>> and it >>> >>> would great to combine forces build something that would be very >>> >>> valuable to >>> >>> the community. >>> >>> >>> >>> Come join the fun! >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:48 PM, George wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Kristof, heck yeah, i'd love any help i can get :) i just haven't >>> >>>> thought that far ahead and really shouldn't be writing emails late >>> >>>> at >>> >>>> night! please send me your email, so i can contact you directly. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Kristof Van Tomme wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> Hi George, >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> I'm not sure if you got my email, the only reference I see is about >>> >>>>> the bookmarks. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> What about >>> >>>>> -multi-lingual resources? >>> >>>>> -my offer to help? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> -There is a big chance I'll be involved in the video team at the >>> >>>>> next >>> >>>>> European Drupalcon (e.g. for sure if Maastricht wins, possibly if >>> >>>>> Paris wins). >>> >>>>> -I have access to the Szeged video material (we put it online). >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> But if you want to go it alone good luck =D >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Cheers, >>> >>>>> Kristof >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> 2009/2/4 George : >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. >>> >>>>>> That's why >>> >>>>>> I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as >>> >>>>>> possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) >>> >>>>>> to >>> >>>>>> allow the site to grow. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that >>> >>>>>> was the >>> >>>>>> forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! >>> >>>>>> maybe it >>> >>>>>> would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway >>> >>>>>> to track >>> >>>>>> the comments on the original site... >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would >>> >>>>>> assume >>> >>>>>> as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, >>> >>>>>> or >>> >>>>>> kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different >>> >>>>>> explanations of >>> >>>>>> a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have >>> >>>>>> different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they >>> >>>>>> favour one >>> >>>>>> particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for >>> >>>>>> videos. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) >>> >>>>>> how to >>> >>>>>> create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed >>> >>>>>> off >>> >>>>>> with >>> >>>>>> it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a >>> >>>>>> gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them >>> >>>>>> off for >>> >>>>>> the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better >>> >>>>>> vids, which >>> >>>>>> they'd be feeding directly to the site. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200 >>> >>>>>> gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under >>> >>>>>> cck >>> >>>>>> wouldn't turn me on. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be >>> >>>>>> effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk >>> >>>>>> of >>> >>>>>> being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these >>> >>>>>> two. >>> >>>>>> Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting >>> >>>>>> resources to >>> >>>>>> the site - so constructive criticism should be given where >>> >>>>>> necessary. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and >>> >>>>>> start >>> >>>>>> with >>> >>>>>> the core goal, and hopefully work outwards! >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Any other ideas/suggestions? >>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>> >>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> -- >>> >>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>> >>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>> >>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>> >>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >>> >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>> >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>> >> >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>> > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> >> >> -- >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> > From g at 8vue.com Mon Feb 9 22:55:43 2009 From: g at 8vue.com (George) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:55:43 +0100 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place In-Reply-To: References: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> <498A0A66.7040307@8vue.com> <498A1B4E.50708@8vue.com> <7471C3CC-F15A-480F-98F1-87034A6D1575@rocktreesky.com> <498B2879.9060809@8vue.com> Message-ID: <4990B46F.5050703@8vue.com> just to clarify, that's 6pm central european time? which is GMT + 1. the +1 after the CET is confusing me! thanks Kristof Van Tomme wrote: > Interested in Drupal materials infrastructure? > > Meet us at the Dojo's Dimdim tomorrow (Tuesday) at 6pm CET+1 - check > your timezone! > > If you want to join but you didn't sign up on the doodle poll yet: > http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu > > I haven't used the Dojo Dimdim yet, so Addi or Gus can you take the lead? > > > cheers, > Kristof > > > > 2009/2/6 Kristof Van Tomme : > >> Hi Gus, and all others interested in Drupal resource aggregation, >> >> We can of course hold that meeting at the Dojo's Dimdim, either Monday >> or Tuesday 6pm seems to be an option right now. >> >> If you haven't signed up yet but you would like to be part of the >> brainstorming vote at: >> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu >> >> cheers, >> Kristof >> >> >> 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : >> >>> I was planning on scheduling another planning session (looks like Monday or >>> Tuesday might work best) using Dojo's Dimdim >>> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/17806) to get everyone on the same page for >>> the Dojo project. As previously mentioned, the aggregation element is a top >>> priority. >>> >>> Would be great to have Addi involved in the convo, but either way, she has a >>> good deal of knowledge about the Dojo and will make sure that any innovation >>> makes it back into the official documentation. >>> >>> If that sounds good, I'll schedule a session for early next week and we'll >>> keep the conversations going in the Drupal Groups (this is a good thread to >>> jump in - http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832) and #drupal-dojo IRC. >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:57 AM, George wrote: >>> >>>> ok, i've put some times in too! >>>> >>>> Addison Berry wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have plugged in some times that I'm available, but I do not consider >>>>> myself essential in any way, so if a better time works for everyone >>>>> else, please go with it. >>>>> >>>>> - Addi >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 5, 2009, at 2:52 AM, Kristof Van Tomme wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Can we maybe have a Skype meetup on the topic? >>>>>> >>>>>> I made a doodle, so if you are interested, just sign up >>>>>> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu >>>>>> >>>>>> cheers, >>>>>> Kristof >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I chatted to George in the IRC about some projects/initiatives >>>>>>> complimentary >>>>>>> to what's being discussed here. The following thread should give >>>>>>> you some >>>>>>> background and an idea how things are moving forward with one of >>>>>>> them - >>>>>>> http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The aggregation element has been broken out into it's own subproject >>>>>>> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/16873) and the goal is to create >>>>>>> something >>>>>>> modular that could easily be set up on the Dojo site, on official >>>>>>> channels >>>>>>> (g.d.o./d.o.), or anywhere else it would make sense. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's already a good foundation, skilled team coming together, >>>>>>> and it >>>>>>> would great to combine forces build something that would be very >>>>>>> valuable to >>>>>>> the community. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Come join the fun! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:48 PM, George wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kristof, heck yeah, i'd love any help i can get :) i just haven't >>>>>>>> thought that far ahead and really shouldn't be writing emails late >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> night! please send me your email, so i can contact you directly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kristof Van Tomme wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi George, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if you got my email, the only reference I see is about >>>>>>>>> the bookmarks. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What about >>>>>>>>> -multi-lingual resources? >>>>>>>>> -my offer to help? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -There is a big chance I'll be involved in the video team at the >>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>> European Drupalcon (e.g. for sure if Maastricht wins, possibly if >>>>>>>>> Paris wins). >>>>>>>>> -I have access to the Szeged video material (we put it online). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But if you want to go it alone good luck =D >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Kristof >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2009/2/4 George : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. >>>>>>>>>> That's why >>>>>>>>>> I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as >>>>>>>>>> possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> allow the site to grow. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that >>>>>>>>>> was the >>>>>>>>>> forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! >>>>>>>>>> maybe it >>>>>>>>>> would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway >>>>>>>>>> to track >>>>>>>>>> the comments on the original site... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would >>>>>>>>>> assume >>>>>>>>>> as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, >>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different >>>>>>>>>> explanations of >>>>>>>>>> a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have >>>>>>>>>> different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they >>>>>>>>>> favour one >>>>>>>>>> particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for >>>>>>>>>> videos. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) >>>>>>>>>> how to >>>>>>>>>> create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed >>>>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a >>>>>>>>>> gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them >>>>>>>>>> off for >>>>>>>>>> the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better >>>>>>>>>> vids, which >>>>>>>>>> they'd be feeding directly to the site. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200 >>>>>>>>>> gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under >>>>>>>>>> cck >>>>>>>>>> wouldn't turn me on. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be >>>>>>>>>> effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these >>>>>>>>>> two. >>>>>>>>>> Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting >>>>>>>>>> resources to >>>>>>>>>> the site - so constructive criticism should be given where >>>>>>>>>> necessary. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and >>>>>>>>>> start >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> the core goal, and hopefully work outwards! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any other ideas/suggestions? >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>>>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>> >>> -- >>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>> >>> > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > From gus at pepperalley.com Mon Feb 9 23:01:25 2009 From: gus at pepperalley.com (Gus Austin) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:01:25 -0800 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place In-Reply-To: References: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> <498A1B4E.50708@8vue.com> <7471C3CC-F15A-480F-98F1-87034A6D1575@rocktreesky.com> <498B2879.9060809@8vue.com> Message-ID: Once I figure out what time that would be PST, I'll round up the people that are currently committing some time to make this happen. Cheers! On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Kristof Van Tomme wrote: > Interested in Drupal materials infrastructure? > > Meet us at the Dojo's Dimdim tomorrow (Tuesday) at 6pm CET+1 - check > your timezone! > > If you want to join but you didn't sign up on the doodle poll yet: > http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu > > I haven't used the Dojo Dimdim yet, so Addi or Gus can you take the lead? > > > cheers, > Kristof > > > > 2009/2/6 Kristof Van Tomme : > > Hi Gus, and all others interested in Drupal resource aggregation, > > > > We can of course hold that meeting at the Dojo's Dimdim, either Monday > > or Tuesday 6pm seems to be an option right now. > > > > If you haven't signed up yet but you would like to be part of the > > brainstorming vote at: > > http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu > > > > cheers, > > Kristof > > > > > > 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : > >> I was planning on scheduling another planning session (looks like Monday > or > >> Tuesday might work best) using Dojo's Dimdim > >> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/17806) to get everyone on the same page > for > >> the Dojo project. As previously mentioned, the aggregation element is a > top > >> priority. > >> > >> Would be great to have Addi involved in the convo, but either way, she > has a > >> good deal of knowledge about the Dojo and will make sure that any > innovation > >> makes it back into the official documentation. > >> > >> If that sounds good, I'll schedule a session for early next week and > we'll > >> keep the conversations going in the Drupal Groups (this is a good thread > to > >> jump in - http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832) and #drupal-dojo IRC. > >> > >> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:57 AM, George wrote: > >>> > >>> ok, i've put some times in too! > >>> > >>> Addison Berry wrote: > >>> > I have plugged in some times that I'm available, but I do not > consider > >>> > myself essential in any way, so if a better time works for everyone > >>> > else, please go with it. > >>> > > >>> > - Addi > >>> > > >>> > On Feb 5, 2009, at 2:52 AM, Kristof Van Tomme wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >> Hi, > >>> >> > >>> >> Can we maybe have a Skype meetup on the topic? > >>> >> > >>> >> I made a doodle, so if you are interested, just sign up > >>> >> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu > >>> >> > >>> >> cheers, > >>> >> Kristof > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : > >>> >> > >>> >>> Hi, > >>> >>> > >>> >>> I chatted to George in the IRC about some projects/initiatives > >>> >>> complimentary > >>> >>> to what's being discussed here. The following thread should give > >>> >>> you some > >>> >>> background and an idea how things are moving forward with one of > >>> >>> them - > >>> >>> http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832 > >>> >>> > >>> >>> The aggregation element has been broken out into it's own > subproject > >>> >>> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/16873) and the goal is to create > >>> >>> something > >>> >>> modular that could easily be set up on the Dojo site, on official > >>> >>> channels > >>> >>> (g.d.o./d.o.), or anywhere else it would make sense. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> There's already a good foundation, skilled team coming together, > >>> >>> and it > >>> >>> would great to combine forces build something that would be very > >>> >>> valuable to > >>> >>> the community. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Come join the fun! > >>> >>> > >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:48 PM, George wrote: > >>> >>> > >>> >>>> Kristof, heck yeah, i'd love any help i can get :) i just haven't > >>> >>>> thought that far ahead and really shouldn't be writing emails late > >>> >>>> at > >>> >>>> night! please send me your email, so i can contact you directly. > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> Kristof Van Tomme wrote: > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>>> Hi George, > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> I'm not sure if you got my email, the only reference I see is > about > >>> >>>>> the bookmarks. > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> What about > >>> >>>>> -multi-lingual resources? > >>> >>>>> -my offer to help? > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> -There is a big chance I'll be involved in the video team at the > >>> >>>>> next > >>> >>>>> European Drupalcon (e.g. for sure if Maastricht wins, possibly if > >>> >>>>> Paris wins). > >>> >>>>> -I have access to the Szeged video material (we put it online). > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> But if you want to go it alone good luck =D > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> Cheers, > >>> >>>>> Kristof > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> 2009/2/4 George : > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>>> Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. > >>> >>>>>> That's why > >>> >>>>>> I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as > >>> >>>>>> possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) > >>> >>>>>> to > >>> >>>>>> allow the site to grow. > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that > >>> >>>>>> was the > >>> >>>>>> forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! > >>> >>>>>> maybe it > >>> >>>>>> would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway > >>> >>>>>> to track > >>> >>>>>> the comments on the original site... > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would > >>> >>>>>> assume > >>> >>>>>> as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, > >>> >>>>>> or > >>> >>>>>> kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different > >>> >>>>>> explanations of > >>> >>>>>> a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have > >>> >>>>>> different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they > >>> >>>>>> favour one > >>> >>>>>> particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for > >>> >>>>>> videos. > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) > >>> >>>>>> how to > >>> >>>>>> create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed > >>> >>>>>> off > >>> >>>>>> with > >>> >>>>>> it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a > >>> >>>>>> gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them > >>> >>>>>> off for > >>> >>>>>> the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better > >>> >>>>>> vids, which > >>> >>>>>> they'd be feeding directly to the site. > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200 > >>> >>>>>> gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under > >>> >>>>>> cck > >>> >>>>>> wouldn't turn me on. > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be > >>> >>>>>> effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk > >>> >>>>>> of > >>> >>>>>> being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these > >>> >>>>>> two. > >>> >>>>>> Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting > >>> >>>>>> resources to > >>> >>>>>> the site - so constructive criticism should be given where > >>> >>>>>> necessary. > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and > >>> >>>>>> start > >>> >>>>>> with > >>> >>>>>> the core goal, and hopefully work outwards! > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> Any other ideas/suggestions? > >>> >>>>>> -- > >>> >>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>> >>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>> -- > >>> >>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>> >>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>> -- > >>> >>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>> >>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>> >>>> > >>> >>> -- > >>> >>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>> >>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >> -- > >>> >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>> >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>> > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>> > > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >> > > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/attachments/20090209/64d01d03/attachment.htm From kvantomme at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 23:54:23 2009 From: kvantomme at gmail.com (Kristof Van Tomme) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:54:23 +0100 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place In-Reply-To: References: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> <498A1B4E.50708@8vue.com> <7471C3CC-F15A-480F-98F1-87034A6D1575@rocktreesky.com> <498B2879.9060809@8vue.com> Message-ID: oops, yes GMT+1 2009/2/10 Gus Austin : > Once I figure out what time that would be PST, I'll round up the people that > are currently committing some time to make this happen. Cheers! > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Kristof Van Tomme > wrote: >> >> Interested in Drupal materials infrastructure? >> >> Meet us at the Dojo's Dimdim tomorrow (Tuesday) at 6pm CET+1 - check >> your timezone! >> >> If you want to join but you didn't sign up on the doodle poll yet: >> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu >> >> I haven't used the Dojo Dimdim yet, so Addi or Gus can you take the lead? >> >> >> cheers, >> Kristof >> >> >> >> 2009/2/6 Kristof Van Tomme : >> > Hi Gus, and all others interested in Drupal resource aggregation, >> > >> > We can of course hold that meeting at the Dojo's Dimdim, either Monday >> > or Tuesday 6pm seems to be an option right now. >> > >> > If you haven't signed up yet but you would like to be part of the >> > brainstorming vote at: >> > http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu >> > >> > cheers, >> > Kristof >> > >> > >> > 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : >> >> I was planning on scheduling another planning session (looks like >> >> Monday or >> >> Tuesday might work best) using Dojo's Dimdim >> >> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/17806) to get everyone on the same page >> >> for >> >> the Dojo project. As previously mentioned, the aggregation element is a >> >> top >> >> priority. >> >> >> >> Would be great to have Addi involved in the convo, but either way, she >> >> has a >> >> good deal of knowledge about the Dojo and will make sure that any >> >> innovation >> >> makes it back into the official documentation. >> >> >> >> If that sounds good, I'll schedule a session for early next week and >> >> we'll >> >> keep the conversations going in the Drupal Groups (this is a good >> >> thread to >> >> jump in - http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832) and #drupal-dojo IRC. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:57 AM, George wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ok, i've put some times in too! >> >>> >> >>> Addison Berry wrote: >> >>> > I have plugged in some times that I'm available, but I do not >> >>> > consider >> >>> > myself essential in any way, so if a better time works for everyone >> >>> > else, please go with it. >> >>> > >> >>> > - Addi >> >>> > >> >>> > On Feb 5, 2009, at 2:52 AM, Kristof Van Tomme wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> Hi, >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Can we maybe have a Skype meetup on the topic? >> >>> >> >> >>> >> I made a doodle, so if you are interested, just sign up >> >>> >> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu >> >>> >> >> >>> >> cheers, >> >>> >> Kristof >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : >> >>> >> >> >>> >>> Hi, >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> I chatted to George in the IRC about some projects/initiatives >> >>> >>> complimentary >> >>> >>> to what's being discussed here. The following thread should give >> >>> >>> you some >> >>> >>> background and an idea how things are moving forward with one of >> >>> >>> them - >> >>> >>> http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832 >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> The aggregation element has been broken out into it's own >> >>> >>> subproject >> >>> >>> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/16873) and the goal is to create >> >>> >>> something >> >>> >>> modular that could easily be set up on the Dojo site, on official >> >>> >>> channels >> >>> >>> (g.d.o./d.o.), or anywhere else it would make sense. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> There's already a good foundation, skilled team coming together, >> >>> >>> and it >> >>> >>> would great to combine forces build something that would be very >> >>> >>> valuable to >> >>> >>> the community. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Come join the fun! >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:48 PM, George wrote: >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>>> Kristof, heck yeah, i'd love any help i can get :) i just haven't >> >>> >>>> thought that far ahead and really shouldn't be writing emails >> >>> >>>> late >> >>> >>>> at >> >>> >>>> night! please send me your email, so i can contact you directly. >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Kristof Van Tomme wrote: >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>> Hi George, >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> I'm not sure if you got my email, the only reference I see is >> >>> >>>>> about >> >>> >>>>> the bookmarks. >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> What about >> >>> >>>>> -multi-lingual resources? >> >>> >>>>> -my offer to help? >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> -There is a big chance I'll be involved in the video team at the >> >>> >>>>> next >> >>> >>>>> European Drupalcon (e.g. for sure if Maastricht wins, possibly >> >>> >>>>> if >> >>> >>>>> Paris wins). >> >>> >>>>> -I have access to the Szeged video material (we put it online). >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> But if you want to go it alone good luck =D >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> Cheers, >> >>> >>>>> Kristof >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> 2009/2/4 George : >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. >> >>> >>>>>> That's why >> >>> >>>>>> I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as >> >>> >>>>>> possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members >> >>> >>>>>> though) >> >>> >>>>>> to >> >>> >>>>>> allow the site to grow. >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that >> >>> >>>>>> was the >> >>> >>>>>> forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! >> >>> >>>>>> maybe it >> >>> >>>>>> would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway >> >>> >>>>>> to track >> >>> >>>>>> the comments on the original site... >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I >> >>> >>>>>> would >> >>> >>>>>> assume >> >>> >>>>>> as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, >> >>> >>>>>> audio, >> >>> >>>>>> or >> >>> >>>>>> kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different >> >>> >>>>>> explanations of >> >>> >>>>>> a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to >> >>> >>>>>> have >> >>> >>>>>> different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they >> >>> >>>>>> favour one >> >>> >>>>>> particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for >> >>> >>>>>> videos. >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) >> >>> >>>>>> how to >> >>> >>>>>> create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed >> >>> >>>>>> off >> >>> >>>>>> with >> >>> >>>>>> it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a >> >>> >>>>>> gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them >> >>> >>>>>> off for >> >>> >>>>>> the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better >> >>> >>>>>> vids, which >> >>> >>>>>> they'd be feeding directly to the site. >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With >> >>> >>>>>> 200 >> >>> >>>>>> gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged >> >>> >>>>>> under >> >>> >>>>>> cck >> >>> >>>>>> wouldn't turn me on. >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be >> >>> >>>>>> effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at >> >>> >>>>>> risk >> >>> >>>>>> of >> >>> >>>>>> being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these >> >>> >>>>>> two. >> >>> >>>>>> Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting >> >>> >>>>>> resources to >> >>> >>>>>> the site - so constructive criticism should be given where >> >>> >>>>>> necessary. >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and >> >>> >>>>>> start >> >>> >>>>>> with >> >>> >>>>>> the core goal, and hopefully work outwards! >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> Any other ideas/suggestions? >> >>> >>>>>> -- >> >>> >>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> >>> >>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>> -- >> >>> >>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> >>> >>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>> -- >> >>> >>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> >>> >>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> -- >> >>> >>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> >>> >>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> -- >> >>> >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> >>> >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> >>> >> >> >>> > >> >>> > -- >> >>> > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> >>> > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> >>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> >> >> > >> -- >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > From drupal at rocktreesky.com Tue Feb 10 00:13:14 2009 From: drupal at rocktreesky.com (Addison Berry) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 19:13:14 -0500 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place In-Reply-To: References: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> <498A1B4E.50708@8vue.com> <7471C3CC-F15A-480F-98F1-87034A6D1575@rocktreesky.com> <498B2879.9060809@8vue.com> Message-ID: Working from the Doodle and CET, I'm assuming that it is 12 noon EST and 9 am PST. The +1 on CET threw me too. :-) I'll only be able to hop on for about 30 minutes, but I should be able to make it. - Addi On Feb 9, 2009, at 6:01 PM, Gus Austin wrote: > Once I figure out what time that would be PST, I'll round up the > people that are currently committing some time to make this happen. > Cheers! > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Kristof Van Tomme > wrote: > Interested in Drupal materials infrastructure? > > Meet us at the Dojo's Dimdim tomorrow (Tuesday) at 6pm CET+1 - check > your timezone! > > If you want to join but you didn't sign up on the doodle poll yet: > http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu > > I haven't used the Dojo Dimdim yet, so Addi or Gus can you take the > lead? > > > cheers, > Kristof > > > > 2009/2/6 Kristof Van Tomme : > > Hi Gus, and all others interested in Drupal resource aggregation, > > > > We can of course hold that meeting at the Dojo's Dimdim, either > Monday > > or Tuesday 6pm seems to be an option right now. > > > > If you haven't signed up yet but you would like to be part of the > > brainstorming vote at: > > http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu > > > > cheers, > > Kristof > > > > > > 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : > >> I was planning on scheduling another planning session (looks like > Monday or > >> Tuesday might work best) using Dojo's Dimdim > >> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/17806) to get everyone on the same > page for > >> the Dojo project. As previously mentioned, the aggregation > element is a top > >> priority. > >> > >> Would be great to have Addi involved in the convo, but either > way, she has a > >> good deal of knowledge about the Dojo and will make sure that any > innovation > >> makes it back into the official documentation. > >> > >> If that sounds good, I'll schedule a session for early next week > and we'll > >> keep the conversations going in the Drupal Groups (this is a good > thread to > >> jump in - http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832) and #drupal-dojo > IRC. > >> > >> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:57 AM, George wrote: > >>> > >>> ok, i've put some times in too! > >>> > >>> Addison Berry wrote: > >>> > I have plugged in some times that I'm available, but I do not > consider > >>> > myself essential in any way, so if a better time works for > everyone > >>> > else, please go with it. > >>> > > >>> > - Addi > >>> > > >>> > On Feb 5, 2009, at 2:52 AM, Kristof Van Tomme wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >> Hi, > >>> >> > >>> >> Can we maybe have a Skype meetup on the topic? > >>> >> > >>> >> I made a doodle, so if you are interested, just sign up > >>> >> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu > >>> >> > >>> >> cheers, > >>> >> Kristof > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : > >>> >> > >>> >>> Hi, > >>> >>> > >>> >>> I chatted to George in the IRC about some projects/initiatives > >>> >>> complimentary > >>> >>> to what's being discussed here. The following thread should > give > >>> >>> you some > >>> >>> background and an idea how things are moving forward with > one of > >>> >>> them - > >>> >>> http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832 > >>> >>> > >>> >>> The aggregation element has been broken out into it's own > subproject > >>> >>> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/16873) and the goal is to > create > >>> >>> something > >>> >>> modular that could easily be set up on the Dojo site, on > official > >>> >>> channels > >>> >>> (g.d.o./d.o.), or anywhere else it would make sense. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> There's already a good foundation, skilled team coming > together, > >>> >>> and it > >>> >>> would great to combine forces build something that would be > very > >>> >>> valuable to > >>> >>> the community. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Come join the fun! > >>> >>> > >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:48 PM, George wrote: > >>> >>> > >>> >>>> Kristof, heck yeah, i'd love any help i can get :) i just > haven't > >>> >>>> thought that far ahead and really shouldn't be writing > emails late > >>> >>>> at > >>> >>>> night! please send me your email, so i can contact you > directly. > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> Kristof Van Tomme wrote: > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>>> Hi George, > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> I'm not sure if you got my email, the only reference I see > is about > >>> >>>>> the bookmarks. > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> What about > >>> >>>>> -multi-lingual resources? > >>> >>>>> -my offer to help? > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> -There is a big chance I'll be involved in the video team > at the > >>> >>>>> next > >>> >>>>> European Drupalcon (e.g. for sure if Maastricht wins, > possibly if > >>> >>>>> Paris wins). > >>> >>>>> -I have access to the Szeged video material (we put it > online). > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> But if you want to go it alone good luck =D > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> Cheers, > >>> >>>>> Kristof > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> 2009/2/4 George : > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>>> Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time > consumption. > >>> >>>>>> That's why > >>> >>>>>> I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as > much as > >>> >>>>>> possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members > though) > >>> >>>>>> to > >>> >>>>>> allow the site to grow. > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and > that > >>> >>>>>> was the > >>> >>>>>> forking of the comments for each video. Good point - > thanks! > >>> >>>>>> maybe it > >>> >>>>>> would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, > someway > >>> >>>>>> to track > >>> >>>>>> the comments on the original site... > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, > I would > >>> >>>>>> assume > >>> >>>>>> as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, > audio, > >>> >>>>>> or > >>> >>>>>> kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different > >>> >>>>>> explanations of > >>> >>>>>> a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good > to have > >>> >>>>>> different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they > >>> >>>>>> favour one > >>> >>>>>> particular style, they can look at that particular > reviewer for > >>> >>>>>> videos. > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains > (badly) > >>> >>>>>> how to > >>> >>>>>> create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be > pissed > >>> >>>>>> off > >>> >>>>>> with > >>> >>>>>> it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a > >>> >>>>>> gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not > put them > >>> >>>>>> off for > >>> >>>>>> the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better > >>> >>>>>> vids, which > >>> >>>>>> they'd be feeding directly to the site. > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. > With 200 > >>> >>>>>> gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' > tagged under > >>> >>>>>> cck > >>> >>>>>> wouldn't turn me on. > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going > to be > >>> >>>>>> effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be > at risk > >>> >>>>>> of > >>> >>>>>> being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between > these > >>> >>>>>> two. > >>> >>>>>> Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting > >>> >>>>>> resources to > >>> >>>>>> the site - so constructive criticism should be given where > >>> >>>>>> necessary. > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try > and > >>> >>>>>> start > >>> >>>>>> with > >>> >>>>>> the core goal, and hopefully work outwards! > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> Any other ideas/suggestions? > >>> >>>>>> -- > >>> >>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>> >>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>> -- > >>> >>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/ > documentation/ > >>> >>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>> -- > >>> >>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>> >>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>> >>>> > >>> >>> -- > >>> >>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>> >>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/ > documentation/ > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >> -- > >>> >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>> >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>> > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>> > > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >> > > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/attachments/20090209/747fcf81/attachment.htm From drupal at rocktreesky.com Tue Feb 10 12:57:43 2009 From: drupal at rocktreesky.com (Addison Berry) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 07:57:43 -0500 Subject: [documentation] February Docs Challenge References: <20090210025007.C0ED916B551@www1.drupal.org> Message-ID: <45ADAD24-1C9E-4005-87A8-0A01000C611B@rocktreesky.com> > add1sun has posted a Discussion at http://groups.drupal.org/node/18989 > > February Docs Challenge > --------------- > I put up the February Docs challenge (http://rocktreesky.com/docs-challenge-february-cleaning-comments > ) on my blog over a week ago. This month we talked about cleaning up > the comments in the handbook. We've already had a really good > response and we are chopping through the list. > > This month I'll be working on the queue and hanging out in IRC from > 9-10 pm EST (6 pm PST) each Tuesday evening for the month of > February. I encourage everyone to dig in whenever they have time, > even if it is only 15-30 minutes every so often and, if you are an > IRC kinda person, please hang out in #drupal-docs to help answer > questions. From kvantomme at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 15:46:50 2009 From: kvantomme at gmail.com (Kristof Van Tomme) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:46:50 +0100 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place In-Reply-To: References: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> <498A1B4E.50708@8vue.com> <7471C3CC-F15A-480F-98F1-87034A6D1575@rocktreesky.com> <498B2879.9060809@8vue.com> Message-ID: I've prepared a mindmap agenda for the meeting that will take place in 1h15 min - to make it easier to take notes (see attached) If you have any points you think we should discuss that you can't see here, send a reply please. Cheers, Kristof If you don't use mindmap it's the following points: 3 strategies dojo like class series aggregate the worthy aggregate everything what kind of materials audio video online written? how to promote materials? community vote advantages disadvantages rating squad advantages disadvantages storage strategy own servers using places like the internet archive integration with d.o. multi lingual content 2009/2/9 Kristof Van Tomme : > Interested in Drupal materials infrastructure? > > Meet us at the Dojo's Dimdim tomorrow (Tuesday) at 6pm CET+1 - check > your timezone! > > If you want to join but you didn't sign up on the doodle poll yet: > http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu > > I haven't used the Dojo Dimdim yet, so Addi or Gus can you take the lead? > > > cheers, > Kristof > > > > 2009/2/6 Kristof Van Tomme : >> Hi Gus, and all others interested in Drupal resource aggregation, >> >> We can of course hold that meeting at the Dojo's Dimdim, either Monday >> or Tuesday 6pm seems to be an option right now. >> >> If you haven't signed up yet but you would like to be part of the >> brainstorming vote at: >> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu >> >> cheers, >> Kristof >> >> >> 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : >>> I was planning on scheduling another planning session (looks like Monday or >>> Tuesday might work best) using Dojo's Dimdim >>> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/17806) to get everyone on the same page for >>> the Dojo project. As previously mentioned, the aggregation element is a top >>> priority. >>> >>> Would be great to have Addi involved in the convo, but either way, she has a >>> good deal of knowledge about the Dojo and will make sure that any innovation >>> makes it back into the official documentation. >>> >>> If that sounds good, I'll schedule a session for early next week and we'll >>> keep the conversations going in the Drupal Groups (this is a good thread to >>> jump in - http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832) and #drupal-dojo IRC. >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:57 AM, George wrote: >>>> >>>> ok, i've put some times in too! >>>> >>>> Addison Berry wrote: >>>> > I have plugged in some times that I'm available, but I do not consider >>>> > myself essential in any way, so if a better time works for everyone >>>> > else, please go with it. >>>> > >>>> > - Addi >>>> > >>>> > On Feb 5, 2009, at 2:52 AM, Kristof Van Tomme wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> Hi, >>>> >> >>>> >> Can we maybe have a Skype meetup on the topic? >>>> >> >>>> >> I made a doodle, so if you are interested, just sign up >>>> >> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu >>>> >> >>>> >> cheers, >>>> >> Kristof >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : >>>> >> >>>> >>> Hi, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I chatted to George in the IRC about some projects/initiatives >>>> >>> complimentary >>>> >>> to what's being discussed here. The following thread should give >>>> >>> you some >>>> >>> background and an idea how things are moving forward with one of >>>> >>> them - >>>> >>> http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The aggregation element has been broken out into it's own subproject >>>> >>> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/16873) and the goal is to create >>>> >>> something >>>> >>> modular that could easily be set up on the Dojo site, on official >>>> >>> channels >>>> >>> (g.d.o./d.o.), or anywhere else it would make sense. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> There's already a good foundation, skilled team coming together, >>>> >>> and it >>>> >>> would great to combine forces build something that would be very >>>> >>> valuable to >>>> >>> the community. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Come join the fun! >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:48 PM, George wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Kristof, heck yeah, i'd love any help i can get :) i just haven't >>>> >>>> thought that far ahead and really shouldn't be writing emails late >>>> >>>> at >>>> >>>> night! please send me your email, so i can contact you directly. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kristof Van Tomme wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi George, >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> I'm not sure if you got my email, the only reference I see is about >>>> >>>>> the bookmarks. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> What about >>>> >>>>> -multi-lingual resources? >>>> >>>>> -my offer to help? >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> -There is a big chance I'll be involved in the video team at the >>>> >>>>> next >>>> >>>>> European Drupalcon (e.g. for sure if Maastricht wins, possibly if >>>> >>>>> Paris wins). >>>> >>>>> -I have access to the Szeged video material (we put it online). >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> But if you want to go it alone good luck =D >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>>> Kristof >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> 2009/2/4 George : >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. >>>> >>>>>> That's why >>>> >>>>>> I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as >>>> >>>>>> possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) >>>> >>>>>> to >>>> >>>>>> allow the site to grow. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that >>>> >>>>>> was the >>>> >>>>>> forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! >>>> >>>>>> maybe it >>>> >>>>>> would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway >>>> >>>>>> to track >>>> >>>>>> the comments on the original site... >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would >>>> >>>>>> assume >>>> >>>>>> as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, >>>> >>>>>> or >>>> >>>>>> kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different >>>> >>>>>> explanations of >>>> >>>>>> a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have >>>> >>>>>> different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they >>>> >>>>>> favour one >>>> >>>>>> particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for >>>> >>>>>> videos. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) >>>> >>>>>> how to >>>> >>>>>> create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed >>>> >>>>>> off >>>> >>>>>> with >>>> >>>>>> it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a >>>> >>>>>> gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them >>>> >>>>>> off for >>>> >>>>>> the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better >>>> >>>>>> vids, which >>>> >>>>>> they'd be feeding directly to the site. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200 >>>> >>>>>> gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under >>>> >>>>>> cck >>>> >>>>>> wouldn't turn me on. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be >>>> >>>>>> effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk >>>> >>>>>> of >>>> >>>>>> being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these >>>> >>>>>> two. >>>> >>>>>> Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting >>>> >>>>>> resources to >>>> >>>>>> the site - so constructive criticism should be given where >>>> >>>>>> necessary. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and >>>> >>>>>> start >>>> >>>>>> with >>>> >>>>>> the core goal, and hopefully work outwards! >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Any other ideas/suggestions? >>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> >>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>> >>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>> >>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>> >>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>> >>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>> >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>> > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>> > >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Drupal materials .mm Type: text/x-troff-mm Size: 2470 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/attachments/20090210/fe16fd71/attachment-0001.bin From g at 8vue.com Tue Feb 10 16:18:00 2009 From: g at 8vue.com (George) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:18:00 +0100 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place In-Reply-To: References: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> <498A1B4E.50708@8vue.com> <7471C3CC-F15A-480F-98F1-87034A6D1575@rocktreesky.com> <498B2879.9060809@8vue.com> Message-ID: <4991A8B8.8050607@8vue.com> thanks kristof, i'd like to add: briefly discuss the building and managing of the multilingual community - ie. content/comments/posts will be in a non-english language, so who will be able to moderate that content/comments / posts etc, and how do we go about getting those people! (this is important because drupal is worldwide, so why should ppl struggle with one great english-only resource-site). tying in the existing (and future) videos of dcons, dcamps, etc. that's the only extra things i can think of for now! cheers Kristof Van Tomme wrote: > I've prepared a mindmap agenda for the meeting that will take place in > 1h15 min - to make it easier to take notes (see attached) > > If you have any points you think we should discuss that you can't see > here, send a reply please. > > Cheers, > Kristof > > > If you don't use mindmap it's the following points: > > 3 strategies > dojo like class series > aggregate the worthy > aggregate everything > > what kind of materials > audio > video > online > written? > > how to promote materials? > community vote > advantages > disadvantages > rating squad > advantages > disadvantages > > storage strategy > own servers > using places like the internet archive > > integration with d.o. > > multi lingual content > > > > > > 2009/2/9 Kristof Van Tomme : > >> Interested in Drupal materials infrastructure? >> >> Meet us at the Dojo's Dimdim tomorrow (Tuesday) at 6pm CET+1 - check >> your timezone! >> >> If you want to join but you didn't sign up on the doodle poll yet: >> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu >> >> I haven't used the Dojo Dimdim yet, so Addi or Gus can you take the lead? >> >> >> cheers, >> Kristof >> >> >> >> 2009/2/6 Kristof Van Tomme : >> >>> Hi Gus, and all others interested in Drupal resource aggregation, >>> >>> We can of course hold that meeting at the Dojo's Dimdim, either Monday >>> or Tuesday 6pm seems to be an option right now. >>> >>> If you haven't signed up yet but you would like to be part of the >>> brainstorming vote at: >>> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu >>> >>> cheers, >>> Kristof >>> >>> >>> 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : >>> >>>> I was planning on scheduling another planning session (looks like Monday or >>>> Tuesday might work best) using Dojo's Dimdim >>>> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/17806) to get everyone on the same page for >>>> the Dojo project. As previously mentioned, the aggregation element is a top >>>> priority. >>>> >>>> Would be great to have Addi involved in the convo, but either way, she has a >>>> good deal of knowledge about the Dojo and will make sure that any innovation >>>> makes it back into the official documentation. >>>> >>>> If that sounds good, I'll schedule a session for early next week and we'll >>>> keep the conversations going in the Drupal Groups (this is a good thread to >>>> jump in - http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832) and #drupal-dojo IRC. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:57 AM, George wrote: >>>> >>>>> ok, i've put some times in too! >>>>> >>>>> Addison Berry wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have plugged in some times that I'm available, but I do not consider >>>>>> myself essential in any way, so if a better time works for everyone >>>>>> else, please go with it. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Addi >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 5, 2009, at 2:52 AM, Kristof Van Tomme wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can we maybe have a Skype meetup on the topic? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I made a doodle, so if you are interested, just sign up >>>>>>> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>> Kristof >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I chatted to George in the IRC about some projects/initiatives >>>>>>>> complimentary >>>>>>>> to what's being discussed here. The following thread should give >>>>>>>> you some >>>>>>>> background and an idea how things are moving forward with one of >>>>>>>> them - >>>>>>>> http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The aggregation element has been broken out into it's own subproject >>>>>>>> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/16873) and the goal is to create >>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>> modular that could easily be set up on the Dojo site, on official >>>>>>>> channels >>>>>>>> (g.d.o./d.o.), or anywhere else it would make sense. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There's already a good foundation, skilled team coming together, >>>>>>>> and it >>>>>>>> would great to combine forces build something that would be very >>>>>>>> valuable to >>>>>>>> the community. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Come join the fun! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:48 PM, George wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kristof, heck yeah, i'd love any help i can get :) i just haven't >>>>>>>>> thought that far ahead and really shouldn't be writing emails late >>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>> night! please send me your email, so i can contact you directly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kristof Van Tomme wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi George, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if you got my email, the only reference I see is about >>>>>>>>>> the bookmarks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What about >>>>>>>>>> -multi-lingual resources? >>>>>>>>>> -my offer to help? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -There is a big chance I'll be involved in the video team at the >>>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>>> European Drupalcon (e.g. for sure if Maastricht wins, possibly if >>>>>>>>>> Paris wins). >>>>>>>>>> -I have access to the Szeged video material (we put it online). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But if you want to go it alone good luck =D >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Kristof >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2009/2/4 George : >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. >>>>>>>>>>> That's why >>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as >>>>>>>>>>> possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> allow the site to grow. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that >>>>>>>>>>> was the >>>>>>>>>>> forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! >>>>>>>>>>> maybe it >>>>>>>>>>> would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway >>>>>>>>>>> to track >>>>>>>>>>> the comments on the original site... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would >>>>>>>>>>> assume >>>>>>>>>>> as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, >>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>> kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different >>>>>>>>>>> explanations of >>>>>>>>>>> a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have >>>>>>>>>>> different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they >>>>>>>>>>> favour one >>>>>>>>>>> particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for >>>>>>>>>>> videos. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) >>>>>>>>>>> how to >>>>>>>>>>> create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed >>>>>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a >>>>>>>>>>> gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them >>>>>>>>>>> off for >>>>>>>>>>> the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better >>>>>>>>>>> vids, which >>>>>>>>>>> they'd be feeding directly to the site. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200 >>>>>>>>>>> gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under >>>>>>>>>>> cck >>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't turn me on. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be >>>>>>>>>>> effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these >>>>>>>>>>> two. >>>>>>>>>>> Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting >>>>>>>>>>> resources to >>>>>>>>>>> the site - so constructive criticism should be given where >>>>>>>>>>> necessary. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and >>>>>>>>>>> start >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> the core goal, and hopefully work outwards! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Any other ideas/suggestions? >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>>>>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>>>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>> >>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -- >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ From drupal at rocktreesky.com Tue Feb 10 16:46:33 2009 From: drupal at rocktreesky.com (Addison Berry) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:46:33 -0500 Subject: [documentation] Schedule IRC meeting for redesign editorial guide References: <20090210163035.E5EB016B543@www1.drupal.org> Message-ID: <4585A1FC-5453-4A9B-8B65-5A96DAAB6D18@rocktreesky.com> > Schedule IRC meeting for redesign editorial guide > --------------- > We have quite a few things cooking but a big thing on the horizon is > the d.o redesign. That horizon is approaching quickly. Mark Boulton > gave us an editorial guide for the new site. We need to review it, > discuss and decide the best course of action to implement it. You > can read the guide here: http://infrastructure.drupal.org/drupal.org-style-guide/editorial.html > > Let's talk about this on the mailing list and schedule an IRC > meeting to hash things out. You can pick the best times that work > for you at http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=97itgb25ux3f4gk9 > . Please pick your times by 11pm GMT (6pm EST), Thursday the 12th. > The meeting will last for one hour and be held in the #drupal-docs > IRC channel on the Freenode network. Feel free to look over the docs and then respond in this thread with thoughts and questions. Also note that they have a few "manuscripts" that contain copy for some main sections of the new site (not necessarily of the *handbooks* - these are new top-level sections for the entire site in the redesign) http://infrastructure.drupal.org/drupal.org-style-guide/downloads/manuscripts.zip . Are there elements of the guide that look hard to realistically implement and "enforce"? With a huge community of contributors, we'll never get everyone to read the guide, much less actually use it. So how do we "implement" this and keep it up? The most popular and main landing pages could probably be edited to comply and be a reasonable list to keep an eye on. Is it? Should we do more? Are there tools or workflows that would help? Should we even try? Discuss. :-) From g at 8vue.com Tue Feb 10 16:56:20 2009 From: g at 8vue.com (George) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:56:20 +0100 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place In-Reply-To: <4991A8B8.8050607@8vue.com> References: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> <498A1B4E.50708@8vue.com> <7471C3CC-F15A-480F-98F1-87034A6D1575@rocktreesky.com> <498B2879.9060809@8vue.com> <4991A8B8.8050607@8vue.com> Message-ID: <4991B1B4.6070607@8vue.com> room has been opened called drupaldojo George wrote: > thanks kristof, i'd like to add: > > briefly discuss the building and managing of the multilingual community > - ie. content/comments/posts will be in a non-english language, so who > will be able to moderate that content/comments / posts etc, and how do > we go about getting those people! (this is important because drupal is > worldwide, so why should ppl struggle with one great english-only > resource-site). > > tying in the existing (and future) videos of dcons, dcamps, etc. > > that's the only extra things i can think of for now! > cheers > > > Kristof Van Tomme wrote: > >> I've prepared a mindmap agenda for the meeting that will take place in >> 1h15 min - to make it easier to take notes (see attached) >> >> If you have any points you think we should discuss that you can't see >> here, send a reply please. >> >> Cheers, >> Kristof >> >> >> If you don't use mindmap it's the following points: >> >> 3 strategies >> dojo like class series >> aggregate the worthy >> aggregate everything >> >> what kind of materials >> audio >> video >> online >> written? >> >> how to promote materials? >> community vote >> advantages >> disadvantages >> rating squad >> advantages >> disadvantages >> >> storage strategy >> own servers >> using places like the internet archive >> >> integration with d.o. >> >> multi lingual content >> >> >> >> >> >> 2009/2/9 Kristof Van Tomme : >> >> >>> Interested in Drupal materials infrastructure? >>> >>> Meet us at the Dojo's Dimdim tomorrow (Tuesday) at 6pm CET+1 - check >>> your timezone! >>> >>> If you want to join but you didn't sign up on the doodle poll yet: >>> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu >>> >>> I haven't used the Dojo Dimdim yet, so Addi or Gus can you take the lead? >>> >>> >>> cheers, >>> Kristof >>> >>> >>> >>> 2009/2/6 Kristof Van Tomme : >>> >>> >>>> Hi Gus, and all others interested in Drupal resource aggregation, >>>> >>>> We can of course hold that meeting at the Dojo's Dimdim, either Monday >>>> or Tuesday 6pm seems to be an option right now. >>>> >>>> If you haven't signed up yet but you would like to be part of the >>>> brainstorming vote at: >>>> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> Kristof >>>> >>>> >>>> 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : >>>> >>>> >>>>> I was planning on scheduling another planning session (looks like Monday or >>>>> Tuesday might work best) using Dojo's Dimdim >>>>> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/17806) to get everyone on the same page for >>>>> the Dojo project. As previously mentioned, the aggregation element is a top >>>>> priority. >>>>> >>>>> Would be great to have Addi involved in the convo, but either way, she has a >>>>> good deal of knowledge about the Dojo and will make sure that any innovation >>>>> makes it back into the official documentation. >>>>> >>>>> If that sounds good, I'll schedule a session for early next week and we'll >>>>> keep the conversations going in the Drupal Groups (this is a good thread to >>>>> jump in - http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832) and #drupal-dojo IRC. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:57 AM, George wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> ok, i've put some times in too! >>>>>> >>>>>> Addison Berry wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have plugged in some times that I'm available, but I do not consider >>>>>>> myself essential in any way, so if a better time works for everyone >>>>>>> else, please go with it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Addi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2009, at 2:52 AM, Kristof Van Tomme wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can we maybe have a Skype meetup on the topic? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I made a doodle, so if you are interested, just sign up >>>>>>>> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>>> Kristof >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I chatted to George in the IRC about some projects/initiatives >>>>>>>>> complimentary >>>>>>>>> to what's being discussed here. The following thread should give >>>>>>>>> you some >>>>>>>>> background and an idea how things are moving forward with one of >>>>>>>>> them - >>>>>>>>> http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The aggregation element has been broken out into it's own subproject >>>>>>>>> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/16873) and the goal is to create >>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>> modular that could easily be set up on the Dojo site, on official >>>>>>>>> channels >>>>>>>>> (g.d.o./d.o.), or anywhere else it would make sense. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There's already a good foundation, skilled team coming together, >>>>>>>>> and it >>>>>>>>> would great to combine forces build something that would be very >>>>>>>>> valuable to >>>>>>>>> the community. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Come join the fun! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:48 PM, George wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kristof, heck yeah, i'd love any help i can get :) i just haven't >>>>>>>>>> thought that far ahead and really shouldn't be writing emails late >>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>> night! please send me your email, so i can contact you directly. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kristof Van Tomme wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi George, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if you got my email, the only reference I see is about >>>>>>>>>>> the bookmarks. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What about >>>>>>>>>>> -multi-lingual resources? >>>>>>>>>>> -my offer to help? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -There is a big chance I'll be involved in the video team at the >>>>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>>>> European Drupalcon (e.g. for sure if Maastricht wins, possibly if >>>>>>>>>>> Paris wins). >>>>>>>>>>> -I have access to the Szeged video material (we put it online). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But if you want to go it alone good luck =D >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> Kristof >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2009/2/4 George : >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. >>>>>>>>>>>> That's why >>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as >>>>>>>>>>>> possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members though) >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> allow the site to grow. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that >>>>>>>>>>>> was the >>>>>>>>>>>> forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! >>>>>>>>>>>> maybe it >>>>>>>>>>>> would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway >>>>>>>>>>>> to track >>>>>>>>>>>> the comments on the original site... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I would >>>>>>>>>>>> assume >>>>>>>>>>>> as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, audio, >>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>> kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different >>>>>>>>>>>> explanations of >>>>>>>>>>>> a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to have >>>>>>>>>>>> different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they >>>>>>>>>>>> favour one >>>>>>>>>>>> particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for >>>>>>>>>>>> videos. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) >>>>>>>>>>>> how to >>>>>>>>>>>> create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed >>>>>>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>> it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a >>>>>>>>>>>> gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them >>>>>>>>>>>> off for >>>>>>>>>>>> the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better >>>>>>>>>>>> vids, which >>>>>>>>>>>> they'd be feeding directly to the site. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With 200 >>>>>>>>>>>> gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged under >>>>>>>>>>>> cck >>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't turn me on. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be >>>>>>>>>>>> effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at risk >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these >>>>>>>>>>>> two. >>>>>>>>>>>> Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting >>>>>>>>>>>> resources to >>>>>>>>>>>> the site - so constructive criticism should be given where >>>>>>>>>>>> necessary. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and >>>>>>>>>>>> start >>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>> the core goal, and hopefully work outwards! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any other ideas/suggestions? >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>>>>>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>>>>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>>>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> -- >>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >>> > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > From kvantomme at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 17:02:58 2009 From: kvantomme at gmail.com (Kristof Van Tomme) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:02:58 +0100 Subject: [documentation] Schedule IRC meeting for redesign editorial guide In-Reply-To: <4585A1FC-5453-4A9B-8B65-5A96DAAB6D18@rocktreesky.com> References: <20090210163035.E5EB016B543@www1.drupal.org> <4585A1FC-5453-4A9B-8B65-5A96DAAB6D18@rocktreesky.com> Message-ID: can somebody point me out how I can get on the Dojo DimDim? K 2009/2/10 Addison Berry : >> Schedule IRC meeting for redesign editorial guide >> --------------- >> We have quite a few things cooking but a big thing on the horizon is >> the d.o redesign. That horizon is approaching quickly. Mark Boulton >> gave us an editorial guide for the new site. We need to review it, >> discuss and decide the best course of action to implement it. You >> can read the guide here: http://infrastructure.drupal.org/drupal.org-style-guide/editorial.html >> >> Let's talk about this on the mailing list and schedule an IRC >> meeting to hash things out. You can pick the best times that work >> for you at http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=97itgb25ux3f4gk9 >> . Please pick your times by 11pm GMT (6pm EST), Thursday the 12th. >> The meeting will last for one hour and be held in the #drupal-docs >> IRC channel on the Freenode network. > > Feel free to look over the docs and then respond in this thread with > thoughts and questions. Also note that they have a few "manuscripts" > that contain copy for some main sections of the new site (not > necessarily of the *handbooks* - these are new top-level sections for > the entire site in the redesign) http://infrastructure.drupal.org/drupal.org-style-guide/downloads/manuscripts.zip > . Are there elements of the guide that look hard to realistically > implement and "enforce"? With a huge community of contributors, we'll > never get everyone to read the guide, much less actually use it. So > how do we "implement" this and keep it up? The most popular and main > landing pages could probably be edited to comply and be a reasonable > list to keep an eye on. Is it? Should we do more? Are there tools or > workflows that would help? Should we even try? > > Discuss. :-) > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > From gus at pepperalley.com Tue Feb 10 16:56:17 2009 From: gus at pepperalley.com (Gus Austin) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:56:17 -0800 Subject: [documentation] Collecting Drupal presentations / videos / resources together in one sane place In-Reply-To: References: <49724B62.60506@8vue.com> <498A1B4E.50708@8vue.com> <7471C3CC-F15A-480F-98F1-87034A6D1575@rocktreesky.com> <498B2879.9060809@8vue.com> Message-ID: I opened this Dimdim room - http://webmeeting.dimdim.com:80/portal/JoinForm.action?meetingRoomName=drupaldojo If it doesn't work out, we can talk on skype or irc. On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Kristof Van Tomme wrote: > I've prepared a mindmap agenda for the meeting that will take place in > 1h15 min - to make it easier to take notes (see attached) > > If you have any points you think we should discuss that you can't see > here, send a reply please. > > Cheers, > Kristof > > > If you don't use mindmap it's the following points: > > 3 strategies > dojo like class series > aggregate the worthy > aggregate everything > > what kind of materials > audio > video > online > written? > > how to promote materials? > community vote > advantages > disadvantages > rating squad > advantages > disadvantages > > storage strategy > own servers > using places like the internet archive > > integration with d.o. > > multi lingual content > > > > > > 2009/2/9 Kristof Van Tomme : > > Interested in Drupal materials infrastructure? > > > > Meet us at the Dojo's Dimdim tomorrow (Tuesday) at 6pm CET+1 - check > > your timezone! > > > > If you want to join but you didn't sign up on the doodle poll yet: > > http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu > > > > I haven't used the Dojo Dimdim yet, so Addi or Gus can you take the lead? > > > > > > cheers, > > Kristof > > > > > > > > 2009/2/6 Kristof Van Tomme : > >> Hi Gus, and all others interested in Drupal resource aggregation, > >> > >> We can of course hold that meeting at the Dojo's Dimdim, either Monday > >> or Tuesday 6pm seems to be an option right now. > >> > >> If you haven't signed up yet but you would like to be part of the > >> brainstorming vote at: > >> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu > >> > >> cheers, > >> Kristof > >> > >> > >> 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : > >>> I was planning on scheduling another planning session (looks like > Monday or > >>> Tuesday might work best) using Dojo's Dimdim > >>> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/17806) to get everyone on the same page > for > >>> the Dojo project. As previously mentioned, the aggregation element is a > top > >>> priority. > >>> > >>> Would be great to have Addi involved in the convo, but either way, she > has a > >>> good deal of knowledge about the Dojo and will make sure that any > innovation > >>> makes it back into the official documentation. > >>> > >>> If that sounds good, I'll schedule a session for early next week and > we'll > >>> keep the conversations going in the Drupal Groups (this is a good > thread to > >>> jump in - http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832) and #drupal-dojo IRC. > >>> > >>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:57 AM, George wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ok, i've put some times in too! > >>>> > >>>> Addison Berry wrote: > >>>> > I have plugged in some times that I'm available, but I do not > consider > >>>> > myself essential in any way, so if a better time works for everyone > >>>> > else, please go with it. > >>>> > > >>>> > - Addi > >>>> > > >>>> > On Feb 5, 2009, at 2:52 AM, Kristof Van Tomme wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> >> Hi, > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Can we maybe have a Skype meetup on the topic? > >>>> >> > >>>> >> I made a doodle, so if you are interested, just sign up > >>>> >> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=fg3pem2nnt8m7acu > >>>> >> > >>>> >> cheers, > >>>> >> Kristof > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> 2009/2/5 Gus Austin : > >>>> >> > >>>> >>> Hi, > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> I chatted to George in the IRC about some projects/initiatives > >>>> >>> complimentary > >>>> >>> to what's being discussed here. The following thread should give > >>>> >>> you some > >>>> >>> background and an idea how things are moving forward with one of > >>>> >>> them - > >>>> >>> http://groups.drupal.org/node/15832 > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> The aggregation element has been broken out into it's own > subproject > >>>> >>> (http://groups.drupal.org/node/16873) and the goal is to create > >>>> >>> something > >>>> >>> modular that could easily be set up on the Dojo site, on official > >>>> >>> channels > >>>> >>> (g.d.o./d.o.), or anywhere else it would make sense. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> There's already a good foundation, skilled team coming together, > >>>> >>> and it > >>>> >>> would great to combine forces build something that would be very > >>>> >>> valuable to > >>>> >>> the community. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Come join the fun! > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:48 PM, George wrote: > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> Kristof, heck yeah, i'd love any help i can get :) i just haven't > >>>> >>>> thought that far ahead and really shouldn't be writing emails > late > >>>> >>>> at > >>>> >>>> night! please send me your email, so i can contact you directly. > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Kristof Van Tomme wrote: > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>>> Hi George, > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> I'm not sure if you got my email, the only reference I see is > about > >>>> >>>>> the bookmarks. > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> What about > >>>> >>>>> -multi-lingual resources? > >>>> >>>>> -my offer to help? > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> -There is a big chance I'll be involved in the video team at the > >>>> >>>>> next > >>>> >>>>> European Drupalcon (e.g. for sure if Maastricht wins, possibly > if > >>>> >>>>> Paris wins). > >>>> >>>>> -I have access to the Szeged video material (we put it online). > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> But if you want to go it alone good luck =D > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> Cheers, > >>>> >>>>> Kristof > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> 2009/2/4 George : > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> Yeah, Addi's hit on the important point of time consumption. > >>>> >>>>>> That's why > >>>> >>>>>> I was thinking it's important to 'use' the community as much as > >>>> >>>>>> possible, allowing it to add new videos (trusted members > though) > >>>> >>>>>> to > >>>> >>>>>> allow the site to grow. > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> Addi's also hit upon something I didn't think about, and that > >>>> >>>>>> was the > >>>> >>>>>> forking of the comments for each video. Good point - thanks! > >>>> >>>>>> maybe it > >>>> >>>>>> would be better to leave it off for the resources. or, someway > >>>> >>>>>> to track > >>>> >>>>>> the comments on the original site... > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> Defining a clear set of rules for QC would be difficult, I > would > >>>> >>>>>> assume > >>>> >>>>>> as we have different learning styles, some prefer visual, > audio, > >>>> >>>>>> or > >>>> >>>>>> kineasthetic means of learning, we may favour different > >>>> >>>>>> explanations of > >>>> >>>>>> a question depending on these styles. So, it may be good to > have > >>>> >>>>>> different persons 'reviewing'. That way, if users find they > >>>> >>>>>> favour one > >>>> >>>>>> particular style, they can look at that particular reviewer for > >>>> >>>>>> videos. > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> After spending 5 hours producing a video which explains (badly) > >>>> >>>>>> how to > >>>> >>>>>> create a recipe cck node type, a video producer could be pissed > >>>> >>>>>> off > >>>> >>>>>> with > >>>> >>>>>> it being rejected, so maybe to allieviate this, implement a > >>>> >>>>>> gold/silver/bronze rating to 'shut them up' and to not put them > >>>> >>>>>> off for > >>>> >>>>>> the future? they could in 3 months time be producing better > >>>> >>>>>> vids, which > >>>> >>>>>> they'd be feeding directly to the site. > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> I think a bookmark site is useless for research / help. With > 200 > >>>> >>>>>> gabazillion bookmarks, and seeing 4,999 'resources' tagged > under > >>>> >>>>>> cck > >>>> >>>>>> wouldn't turn me on. > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> in summary, a one-size-fits-all site is prolly not going to be > >>>> >>>>>> effective, a traditional user-voted content site will be at > risk > >>>> >>>>>> of > >>>> >>>>>> being manipulated, so it's finding a happy medium between these > >>>> >>>>>> two. > >>>> >>>>>> Also, i need to prevent putting people off from submitting > >>>> >>>>>> resources to > >>>> >>>>>> the site - so constructive criticism should be given where > >>>> >>>>>> necessary. > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> On paper it could be a lot of things, so i'm going to try and > >>>> >>>>>> start > >>>> >>>>>> with > >>>> >>>>>> the core goal, and hopefully work outwards! > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> Any other ideas/suggestions? > >>>> >>>>>> -- > >>>> >>>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>>> >>>>>> List archives: > http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>> -- > >>>> >>>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>>> >>>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>> -- > >>>> >>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>>> >>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>> -- > >>>> >>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>>> >>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >> -- > >>>> >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>>> >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>>> >> > >>>> > > >>>> > -- > >>>> > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>>> > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >>> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >>> > >> > > > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Kristof ***************************** I blog at http://www.pronovix.com/blog Twitter at http://twitter.com/kvantomme You can find my profiles on LinkedIn at http://www.linkedin.com/in/kvantomme XING at https://www.xing.com/profile/Kristof_VanTomme and Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/people/Kristof-Van-Tomme/618847872 From kvantomme at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 14:10:29 2009 From: kvantomme at gmail.com (Kristof Van Tomme) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:10:29 +0100 Subject: [documentation] follow up on resources discussion Message-ID: I've posted a follow up on yesterday's discussion at http://groups.drupal.org/node/19036 One new idea that popped up today is to make the moderated content a formal teaching resource for Drupal teachers at Teaching institutions (so students would follow the course online and get the credits for practical work that is mentored by the teacher). Cheers, Kristof ***************************** I blog at http://www.pronovix.com/blog Twitter at http://twitter.com/kvantomme You can find my profiles on LinkedIn at http://www.linkedin.com/in/kvantomme XING at https://www.xing.com/profile/Kristof_VanTomme and Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/people/Kristof-Van-Tomme/618847872 Reply Forward From drupal at rocktreesky.com Fri Feb 13 02:02:45 2009 From: drupal at rocktreesky.com (Addison Berry) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:02:45 -0500 Subject: [documentation] Fwd: Documentation Team: 'Doc IRC meeting: Feb 19' at groups.drupal.org References: <20090213015006.119E216B548@www1.drupal.org> Message-ID: > add1sun has posted a Event at http://groups.drupal.org/node/19111 > > Doc IRC meeting: Feb 19 > --------------- > Zee Doodle has spoken. We'll meet on Thursday, Feb. 19 from 2 - 3 > p.m. EST (19:00 GMT, 11 a.m. PST) for one hour in the #drupal-docs > IRC channel on Freenode. > > Mark Boulton gave us an editorial guide for the redesign that is > just around the corner (like within a month or so). The editorial > guide covers all of the text on D.o so we need to review it, discuss > and decide the best course of action to implement it. You can read > the guide here: http://infrastructure.drupal.org/drupal.org-style-guide/editorial.html > . Please talk about this and ask questions on the mailing list > prior to the IRC meeting to hash things out. This will be a major > task for us to tackle in the coming months (maybe even a Drupalcon > sprint project / March doc challenge) so let's hammer on it a bit > and be ready. From emma at hicktech.com Mon Feb 16 10:43:19 2009 From: emma at hicktech.com (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:43:19 +0000 Subject: [documentation] Fwd: Documentation Team: 'Doc IRC meeting: Feb 19' at groups.drupal.org In-Reply-To: References: <20090213015006.119E216B548@www1.drupal.org> Message-ID: <49994347.30500@hicktech.com> Addison Berry wrote: >> Mark Boulton gave us an editorial guide for the redesign that is >> just around the corner (like within a month or so). The editorial >> guide covers all of the text on D.o so we need to review it, discuss >> and decide the best course of action to implement it. You can read >> the guide here: http://infrastructure.drupal.org/drupal.org-style-guide/editorial.html I won't be able to make it to the meeting, but here are a few comments from me: Overall it looks excellent! i have a few points of disagreement which I've noted below. 1. e-mail, not email I disagree (there are a few e-word examples). I think common usage omits the hyphen. Although our own e-Commerce module follows none of the right rules. :) 2. With the use of the word "web" these three items seems inconsistent: # website or site, not web-site or web site # homepage, not home page # web page I personally use: Web (with a cap) plus whatever it is. For example: Web site; Web page. It seems odd that "website" is one word but "web page" is two. 3. Don't use double hyphens; use the HTML entity. And then about ten paragraphs later they use a double dash instead of the HTML entity. Realistically I think there are very few who will take the time to memorize the entity (I know I wimp out and use the double dash). regards, emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin e. emma at hicktech.com - web. www.hicktech.com From solitude at solitude.dk Mon Feb 16 11:11:33 2009 From: solitude at solitude.dk (Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:11:33 +0100 Subject: [documentation] Fwd: Documentation Team: 'Doc IRC meeting: Feb 19' at groups.drupal.org In-Reply-To: <49994347.30500@hicktech.com> References: <20090213015006.119E216B548@www1.drupal.org> <49994347.30500@hicktech.com> Message-ID: Den 16.02.2009 kl. 11:43 skrev Emma Jane Hogbin : > 2. With the use of the word "web" these three items seems inconsistent: > # website or site, not web-site or web site > # homepage, not home page > # web page > > I personally use: Web (with a cap) plus whatever it is. For example: Web > site; Web page. It seems odd that "website" is one word but "web page" > is two. Compound nouns in English are massively confusing (at least to this non-native speaker). Cowboy and cornflakes, but laser pistol and flux capacitor. Trust the dictionary and it says website and web page (no caps). It sounds odd, but language usually is. > 3. Don't use double hyphens; use the HTML entity. > And then about ten paragraphs later they use a double dash instead of > the HTML entity. Realistically I think there are very few who will take > the time to memorize the entity (I know I wimp out and use the double > dash). I'm in the camp is supporting "correct" (traditional?) typography because it aids reading and skimming. At the same time people are generally lazy. Would something like http://drupal.org/project/typogrify assist in automatically converting lazy typing into proper typography? Today's productivity tip: On a mac you can write an em dash by hitting Shift+Option+- like so: ? More here: http://tlt.its.psu.edu/suggestions/international/accents/codemac.html -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen http://www.solitude.dk/ From nan_wich at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 16 14:11:24 2009 From: nan_wich at bellsouth.net (Nancy Wichmann) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:11:24 -0500 Subject: [documentation] Fwd: Documentation Team: 'Doc IRC meeting: Feb 19' at groups.drupal.org In-Reply-To: <49994347.30500@hicktech.com> Message-ID: Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: 1. e-mail, not email I agree with this one. The "e" is a qualifier rather than part of the word. 2. With the use of the word "web" these three items seems inconsistent: # website or site, not web-site or web site # homepage, not home page # web page Again, I see "web" and "home" as qualifiers, so they should be separated. In these cases, they serve as adjectives, so the hyphen should not be present (as opposed the "e" above). So I would write "web site," "home page," and "web page." [BTW, another common mistake, not that punctuation properly goes inside the quotes.] The common spell-checkers will tell you "Internet" and "web." I have never understood this; I suspect it is an anachronism. I personally believe it should depend upon usage. When used as a proper noun, the should be capitalized, otherwise not. "The Web is a wonderful thing." "My internet programming skills could be better." Nancy E. Wichmann, PMP Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. - Martin L. King, Jr. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 0 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/attachments/20090216/27134808/attachment.bin -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.24/1954 - Release Date: 2/15/2009 6:09 PM From drupal at rocktreesky.com Wed Feb 18 12:52:11 2009 From: drupal at rocktreesky.com (Addison Berry) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:52:11 -0500 Subject: [documentation] Fwd: Documentation Team: 'Doc IRC meeting: Feb 19' at groups.drupal.org In-Reply-To: References: <20090213015006.119E216B548@www1.drupal.org> <49994347.30500@hicktech.com> Message-ID: On Feb 16, 2009, at 6:11 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote: >> 3. Don't use double hyphens; use the HTML entity. >> And then about ten paragraphs later they use a double dash instead of >> the HTML entity. Realistically I think there are very few who will >> take >> the time to memorize the entity (I know I wimp out and use the double >> dash). > > I'm in the camp is supporting "correct" (traditional?) typography > because > it aids reading and skimming. At the same time people are generally > lazy. > Would something like http://drupal.org/project/typogrify assist in > automatically converting lazy typing into proper typography? We are only going to use HTML entities if there is a filter to handle it. There is no way that we can maintain having thousands of people always type in entities by hand. I've never used Typogrify myself but definitely something to give a spin and get an infra review on. Thanks for pointing that out. I've created a webmasters redesign issue for it: http://drupal.org/node/376244 - Addi From drupal at rocktreesky.com Thu Feb 19 15:30:29 2009 From: drupal at rocktreesky.com (Addison Berry) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:30:29 -0500 Subject: [documentation] Reminder: Doc IRC meeting today Feb 19 References: Message-ID: Just a reminder for folks to attend today's IRC meeting. Starts in approximately 3.5 hours in #drupal-docs. Begin forwarded message: > From: Addison Berry > Date: February 12, 2009 9:02:45 PM EST > To: documentation at drupal.org > Subject: [documentation] Fwd: Documentation Team: 'Doc IRC meeting: > Feb 19' at groups.drupal.org > Reply-To: A list for documentation writers > > >> add1sun has posted a Event at http://groups.drupal.org/node/19111 >> >> Doc IRC meeting: Feb 19 >> --------------- >> Zee Doodle has spoken. We'll meet on Thursday, Feb. 19 from 2 - 3 >> p.m. EST (19:00 GMT, 11 a.m. PST) for one hour in the #drupal-docs >> IRC channel on Freenode. >> >> Mark Boulton gave us an editorial guide for the redesign that is >> just around the corner (like within a month or so). The editorial >> guide covers all of the text on D.o so we need to review it, discuss >> and decide the best course of action to implement it. You can read >> the guide here: http://infrastructure.drupal.org/drupal.org-style-guide/editorial.html >> . Please talk about this and ask questions on the mailing list >> prior to the IRC meeting to hash things out. This will be a major >> task for us to tackle in the coming months (maybe even a Drupalcon >> sprint project / March doc challenge) so let's hammer on it a bit >> and be ready. > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/attachments/20090219/d0f53c02/attachment-0001.htm From drupal at rocktreesky.com Fri Feb 20 20:32:21 2009 From: drupal at rocktreesky.com (Addison Berry) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:32:21 -0500 Subject: [documentation] Feb. 19 IRC meeting Summary and Log References: <20090220203025.6D7BB16B5AD@www1.drupal.org> Message-ID: <500E07FC-0653-4415-A997-5E32E0B04637@rocktreesky.com> > add1sun has posted a Discussion at http://groups.drupal.org/node/19356 > > Feb. 19 IRC meeting Summary and Log > --------------- > Here is the IRC log of the February 19 meeting and a short summary > is below: http://pastebin.com/f16e96f31 > The main item on the agenda was to discuss the MBD Editorial guide > for Drupal.org. Overall it was agreed that the guide doesn't pose > any particular problems and largely lines up with the existing > guide. We do want to make some tweaks and then work to incorporate > it into the existing style handbook page. To allow everyone to edit > and comment on the guide, Lee created a new page under the > Documentation Community Initiatives section. We'd like to get this > doc tweaked and rolled in before the Drupalcon DC sprint, happening > March 7. > The only major issue with the MBD guide is the requirement to use > HTML entities for typography (e.g. em dashes and smart quotes). Todd > and Shannon volunteered to take on reviewing/working with various > Drupal solutions (like the Typogrify module) to automate these > changes. > We also talked briefly about the Drupalcon sprint and I'd love to > get some volunteers to help people find tasks, answer questions and > monitor IRC. Lee and Joel stepped up to help at the sprint and John > has volunteered to help in the IRC channel, even though he isn't > attending. We'll need a few more people to help cover the day and > I'll be making another post specifically about this shortly. - Addi From drupal at rocktreesky.com Fri Feb 20 21:51:35 2009 From: drupal at rocktreesky.com (Addison Berry) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:51:35 -0500 Subject: [documentation] Drupalcon Doc Sprint References: <20090220215005.A869716B5A8@www1.drupal.org> Message-ID: <33ECB52A-B074-43B3-8E1A-DF3B831825F8@rocktreesky.com> > add1sun has posted a Event at http://groups.drupal.org/node/19358 > > Drupalcon Doc Sprint > --------------- > If you are in the DC area during Drupalcon, make sure you come to > the Documentation Sprint on Saturday, March 7, from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. > you can read more about it on the Drupalcon site: http://dc2009.drupalcon.org/session/documentation-sprint > > We also need doc team volunteers to help orient newcomers and answer > questions. We'll need people in DC, but we also need people to help > out virtually in the IRC channel, so if you have an hour or two to > be a doc leader, please sign up on the Doodle. Ideally we will have > a few people around for each hour slot, so if one person has it > covered don't feel like you aren't needed! You can do the Doodle at http://www.doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=nmuqmevpftx64bfz From siruguri at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 04:28:00 2009 From: siruguri at gmail.com (Sameer Siruguri) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:28:00 -0800 Subject: [documentation] Forms API handbook volunteer Message-ID: <1aebaaf0902252028o34d05cc9s48734cf188b8e8b4@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have been interested in fleshing out, and collating, the documentation for the Forms API for some time now, and recently got started on writing out the material that would go under the headings that Steven Jones wrote out on this page: http://drupal.org/node/204270 (Here's a page I wrote, with one child: http://drupal.org/node/384120) Here's the problem I ran into: After writing some pages down, I sheepishly realized that some material already existed as child pages. But I don't have edit permissions to the top level of those child pages, which makes it hard to incorporate some of my changes and esp. to consolidate all the material at the top level. Here are some solutions: I could go ahead and build out all the material and then propose a consolidation. I could build it on my own website and find some way to export the book to be imported into Drupal.org. I could have access to the top level pages. I could do something during DrupalCon. I am open to suggestions. Thanks! Sameer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So I re-opened it, and hopefully, this time I'll be part of the doc team. Cheers, Sameer. On 2/25/09, Nancy Wichmann wrote: > > Join the docs team and you can do it. > > > > Nancy E. Wichmann, PMP > > Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. - Martin L. King, Jr. > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1969 - Release Date: 2/24/2009 > 6:43 AM > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/attachments/20090225/d47c68d9/attachment.htm From darthsteven at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 09:29:01 2009 From: darthsteven at gmail.com (Steven Jones) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:29:01 +0000 Subject: [documentation] Forms API handbook volunteer In-Reply-To: <1aebaaf0902252028o34d05cc9s48734cf188b8e8b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1aebaaf0902252028o34d05cc9s48734cf188b8e8b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sameer, I actually was just the last person to edit that page, the content is down to Steven Peck. In any case I'm not sure that documenting FormAPI like that is the best way to go. Like you I've wanted to document FormAPI better for a while now, but I'm not sure the best way to approach it. Maybe we could gather a few interested parties at Drupalcon D.C. and have a little chat about the best way forward. Are the any other's who'd be interested in helping out with FormAPI docs? Regards Steven Jones ComputerMinds ltd - Perfect Drupal Websites Phone : 0121 288 0434 Mobile : 07951 270 026 http://www.computerminds.co.uk 2009/2/26 Sameer Siruguri : > Hi, > > I have been interested in fleshing out, and collating, the documentation for > the Forms API for some time now, and recently got started on writing out the > material that would go under the headings that Steven Jones wrote out on > this page: http://drupal.org/node/204270 (Here's a page I wrote, with one > child: http://drupal.org/node/384120) > > Here's the problem I ran into: After writing some pages down, I sheepishly > realized that some material already existed as child pages. But I don't have > edit permissions to the top level of those child pages, which makes it hard > to incorporate some of my changes and esp. to consolidate all the material > at the top level. > > Here are some solutions: I could go ahead and build out all the material and > then propose a consolidation. I could build it on my own website and find > some way to export the book to be imported into Drupal.org. I could have > access to the top level pages. I could do something during DrupalCon. > > I am open to suggestions. Thanks! > Sameer. > > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > From hwczambiastreetsoccer at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 09:40:32 2009 From: hwczambiastreetsoccer at gmail.com (zambiahomlessworldcup streetsoccer) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:40:32 +0200 Subject: [documentation] Forms API handbook volunteer In-Reply-To: References: <1aebaaf0902252028o34d05cc9s48734cf188b8e8b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99f58f650902260140w35f999cdu1dd3a795a3040938@mail.gmail.com> Hi Friends, l would like to help with information on the above mentioned subject. looking forward to hear from you. Yours On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Steven Jones wrote: > Hi Sameer, > > I actually was just the last person to edit that page, the content is > down to Steven Peck. > > In any case I'm not sure that documenting FormAPI like that is the > best way to go. Like you I've wanted to document FormAPI better for a > while now, but I'm not sure the best way to approach it. Maybe we > could gather a few interested parties at Drupalcon D.C. and have a > little chat about the best way forward. > > Are the any other's who'd be interested in helping out with FormAPI docs? > > Regards > Steven Jones > ComputerMinds ltd - Perfect Drupal Websites > > Phone : 0121 288 0434 > Mobile : 07951 270 026 > http://www.computerminds.co.uk > > > > 2009/2/26 Sameer Siruguri : > > Hi, > > > > I have been interested in fleshing out, and collating, the documentation > for > > the Forms API for some time now, and recently got started on writing out > the > > material that would go under the headings that Steven Jones wrote out on > > this page: http://drupal.org/node/204270 (Here's a page I wrote, with > one > > child: http://drupal.org/node/384120) > > > > Here's the problem I ran into: After writing some pages down, I > sheepishly > > realized that some material already existed as child pages. But I don't > have > > edit permissions to the top level of those child pages, which makes it > hard > > to incorporate some of my changes and esp. to consolidate all the > material > > at the top level. > > > > Here are some solutions: I could go ahead and build out all the material > and > > then propose a consolidation. I could build it on my own website and find > > some way to export the book to be imported into Drupal.org. I could have > > access to the top level pages. I could do something during DrupalCon. > > > > I am open to suggestions. Thanks! > > Sameer. > > > > > > -- > > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/attachments/20090226/fd51a424/attachment.htm From siruguri at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 19:38:03 2009 From: siruguri at gmail.com (Sameer Siruguri) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:38:03 -0800 Subject: [documentation] Forms API handbook volunteer In-Reply-To: References: <1aebaaf0902252028o34d05cc9s48734cf188b8e8b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1aebaaf0902261138o4bfff716i2e679bb307b75b62@mail.gmail.com> Steven, good to hear from you. I cannot make DrupalCon in DC, more's the pity. I am interested in learning more about your views on how to properly document the Forms API. Did you mean to say that the outline written by Steven Peck is the one you have some doubts about? Or just the general style of the content? I am interested in getting content out there asap, lots of folks have been commenting on the lack of something good. Personally, I think having an explanation of the steps inside drupal_get_form (process, prepare, alter, render, etc.) would be very useful, esp. for ninja developers. It's easy to get things mixed up if you don't know the exact order in which these steps are called, including the parts where weights get sorted out, and when pre/post_render functions get called. I would love to discuss some of these over email, if that's possible, or of course, to hear more about what you learn at DrupalCon. Cheers! Sameer. On 2/26/09, Steven Jones wrote: > > Hi Sameer, > > I actually was just the last person to edit that page, the content is > down to Steven Peck. > > In any case I'm not sure that documenting FormAPI like that is the > best way to go. Like you I've wanted to document FormAPI better for a > while now, but I'm not sure the best way to approach it. Maybe we > could gather a few interested parties at Drupalcon D.C. and have a > little chat about the best way forward. > > Are the any other's who'd be interested in helping out with FormAPI docs? > > Regards > Steven Jones > ComputerMinds ltd - Perfect Drupal Websites > > Phone : 0121 288 0434 > Mobile : 07951 270 026 > http://www.computerminds.co.uk > > > > 2009/2/26 Sameer Siruguri : > > > Hi, > > > > I have been interested in fleshing out, and collating, the documentation > for > > the Forms API for some time now, and recently got started on writing out > the > > material that would go under the headings that Steven Jones wrote out on > > this page: http://drupal.org/node/204270 (Here's a page I wrote, with > one > > child: http://drupal.org/node/384120) > > > > Here's the problem I ran into: After writing some pages down, I > sheepishly > > realized that some material already existed as child pages. But I don't > have > > edit permissions to the top level of those child pages, which makes it > hard > > to incorporate some of my changes and esp. to consolidate all the > material > > at the top level. > > > > Here are some solutions: I could go ahead and build out all the material > and > > then propose a consolidation. I could build it on my own website and find > > some way to export the book to be imported into Drupal.org. I could have > > access to the top level pages. I could do something during DrupalCon. > > > > I am open to suggestions. Thanks! > > Sameer. > > > > > > > -- > > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/attachments/20090226/0f46c5af/attachment.htm From darthsteven at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 13:20:22 2009 From: darthsteven at gmail.com (Steven Jones) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:20:22 +0000 Subject: [documentation] Forms API handbook volunteer In-Reply-To: <1aebaaf0902261138o4bfff716i2e679bb307b75b62@mail.gmail.com> References: <1aebaaf0902252028o34d05cc9s48734cf188b8e8b4@mail.gmail.com> <1aebaaf0902261138o4bfff716i2e679bb307b75b62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Essentially, before launching into the massive effort of documenting FormAPI, we should have the discussion: 'What should we document'. You mention: "lots of folks have been commenting on the lack of something good". What are they after? Are they newbies getting to grips with forms? Are they experienced developers wanting to do more? Can anyone suggest what the FormAPI docs should cover? Regards Steven Jones ComputerMinds ltd - Perfect Drupal Websites Phone : 0121 288 0434 Mobile : 07951 270 026 http://www.computerminds.co.uk 2009/2/26 Sameer Siruguri : > Steven, > > good to hear from you. I cannot make DrupalCon in DC, more's the pity. I am > interested in learning more about your views on how to properly document the > Forms API. Did you mean to say that the outline written by Steven Peck is > the one you have some doubts about? Or just the general style of the > content? > > I am interested in getting content out there asap, lots of folks have been > commenting on the lack of something good. Personally, I think having an > explanation of the steps inside drupal_get_form (process, prepare, alter, > render, etc.) would be very useful, esp. for ninja developers. It's easy to > get things mixed up if you don't know the exact order in which these steps > are called, including the parts where weights get sorted out, and when > pre/post_render functions get called. > > I would love to discuss some of these over email, if that's possible, or of > course, to hear more about what you learn at DrupalCon. > > Cheers! > Sameer. > > On 2/26/09, Steven Jones wrote: >> >> Hi Sameer, >> >> I actually was just the last person to edit that page, the content is >> down to Steven Peck. >> >> In any case I'm not sure that documenting FormAPI like that is the >> best way to go. Like you I've wanted to document FormAPI better for a >> while now, but I'm not sure the best way to approach it. Maybe we >> could gather a few interested parties at Drupalcon D.C. and have a >> little chat about the best way forward. >> >> Are the any other's who'd be interested in helping out with FormAPI docs? >> >> Regards >> Steven Jones >> ComputerMinds ltd - Perfect Drupal Websites >> >> Phone : 0121 288 0434 >> Mobile : 07951 270 026 >> http://www.computerminds.co.uk >> >> >> >> 2009/2/26 Sameer Siruguri : >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > I have been interested in fleshing out, and collating, the documentation >> > for >> > the Forms API for some time now, and recently got started on writing out >> > the >> > material that would go under the headings that Steven Jones wrote out on >> > this page: http://drupal.org/node/204270 (Here's a page I wrote, with >> > one >> > child: http://drupal.org/node/384120) >> > >> > Here's the problem I ran into: After writing some pages down, I >> > sheepishly >> > realized that some material already existed as child pages. But I don't >> > have >> > edit permissions to the top level of those child pages, which makes it >> > hard >> > to incorporate some of my changes and esp. to consolidate all the >> > material >> > at the top level. >> > >> > Here are some solutions: I could go ahead and build out all the material >> > and >> > then propose a consolidation. I could build it on my own website and >> > find >> > some way to export the book to be imported into Drupal.org. I could have >> > access to the top level pages. I could do something during DrupalCon. >> > >> > I am open to suggestions. Thanks! >> > Sameer. >> > >> > >> >> > -- >> > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ >> > >> -- >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > From nan_wich at bellsouth.net Fri Feb 27 14:24:46 2009 From: nan_wich at bellsouth.net (Nancy Wichmann) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:24:46 -0500 Subject: [documentation] Forms API handbook volunteer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steven Jones wrote: > Can anyone suggest what the FormAPI docs should cover? I could easily see this get to book length. What I would like to see is practical examples that take people from basic forms on through to complex, including multiple part and dynamic forms. I can probably contribute some examples. Nancy E. Wichmann, PMP Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. - Martin L. King, Jr. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 0 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/attachments/20090227/14c51dad/attachment.bin -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1975 - Release Date: 2/27/2009 7:05 AM From darthsteven at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 14:28:39 2009 From: darthsteven at gmail.com (Steven Jones) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:28:39 +0000 Subject: [documentation] Forms API handbook volunteer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If one were to write a book, would you buy it? :-) Should the main bulk of the section be examples, with step by step explanations then? So if you're looking to do XYZ you can find xyz (that looks almost like it) and follow along? Regards Steven Jones ComputerMinds ltd - Perfect Drupal Websites Phone : 0121 288 0434 Mobile : 07951 270 026 http://www.computerminds.co.uk 2009/2/27 Nancy Wichmann : > Steven Jones wrote: >> Can anyone suggest what the FormAPI docs should cover? > I could easily see this get to book length. ?What I would like to see is > practical examples that take people from basic forms on through to complex, > including multiple part and dynamic forms. ?I can probably contribute some > examples. > > Nancy E. Wichmann, PMP > Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. - Martin L. King, Jr. > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1975 - Release Date: 2/27/2009 7:05 AM > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > From siruguri at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 21:21:29 2009 From: siruguri at gmail.com (Sameer Siruguri) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:21:29 -0800 Subject: [documentation] Forms API handbook volunteer In-Reply-To: References: <1aebaaf0902252028o34d05cc9s48734cf188b8e8b4@mail.gmail.com> <1aebaaf0902261138o4bfff716i2e679bb307b75b62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1aebaaf0902271321x317d7a92wb98f6ffda85af500@mail.gmail.com> Steven, the feedback I have seen on different forums is not very detailed -- it's mostly of the sort, "I wish there were more detailed/comprehensive documentation about forms." One proposal I have is that we start putting something out there and see how people react to it, sort of a wiki style of doing it, where we incorporate comments over time once there is something to comment to. Alternatively, we could canvas some of the people who have commented on various Drupal related websites about the difficulty of getting comprehensive documentation and ask what they are lacking. I think the spectrum will be fairly wide in terms of expertise people who are looking for Forms docs already have, but I wouldn't be surprised if many of them are newbies trying to get to grips with the basics. As Nancy notes, there will also be people looking to do dynamic elements and multi-stage forms. One idea I had was to first create the detailed description of _everything_ the API does, and then write an FAQ for some of the common-case tasks, that point to entries in the detailed description. Thoughts? Sameer. On 2/27/09, Steven Jones wrote: > > Essentially, before launching into the massive effort of documenting > FormAPI, we should have the discussion: 'What should we document'. > > You mention: "lots of folks have been commenting on the lack of > something good". What are they after? Are they newbies getting to > grips with forms? Are they experienced developers wanting to do more? > > Can anyone suggest what the FormAPI docs should cover? > > > Regards > Steven Jones > ComputerMinds ltd - Perfect Drupal Websites > > Phone : 0121 288 0434 > Mobile : 07951 270 026 > http://www.computerminds.co.uk > > > > 2009/2/26 Sameer Siruguri : > > Steven, > > > > good to hear from you. I cannot make DrupalCon in DC, more's the pity. I > am > > interested in learning more about your views on how to properly document > the > > Forms API. Did you mean to say that the outline written by Steven Peck is > > the one you have some doubts about? Or just the general style of the > > content? > > > > I am interested in getting content out there asap, lots of folks have > been > > commenting on the lack of something good. Personally, I think having an > > explanation of the steps inside drupal_get_form (process, prepare, alter, > > render, etc.) would be very useful, esp. for ninja developers. It's easy > to > > get things mixed up if you don't know the exact order in which these > steps > > are called, including the parts where weights get sorted out, and when > > pre/post_render functions get called. > > > > I would love to discuss some of these over email, if that's possible, or > of > > course, to hear more about what you learn at DrupalCon. > > > > Cheers! > > Sameer. > > > > On 2/26/09, Steven Jones wrote: > >> > >> Hi Sameer, > >> > >> I actually was just the last person to edit that page, the content is > >> down to Steven Peck. > >> > >> In any case I'm not sure that documenting FormAPI like that is the > >> best way to go. Like you I've wanted to document FormAPI better for a > >> while now, but I'm not sure the best way to approach it. Maybe we > >> could gather a few interested parties at Drupalcon D.C. and have a > >> little chat about the best way forward. > >> > >> Are the any other's who'd be interested in helping out with FormAPI > docs? > >> > >> Regards > >> Steven Jones > >> ComputerMinds ltd - Perfect Drupal Websites > >> > >> Phone : 0121 288 0434 > >> Mobile : 07951 270 026 > >> http://www.computerminds.co.uk > >> > >> > >> > >> 2009/2/26 Sameer Siruguri : > >> > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > I have been interested in fleshing out, and collating, the > documentation > >> > for > >> > the Forms API for some time now, and recently got started on writing > out > >> > the > >> > material that would go under the headings that Steven Jones wrote out > on > >> > this page: http://drupal.org/node/204270 (Here's a page I wrote, with > >> > one > >> > child: http://drupal.org/node/384120) > >> > > >> > Here's the problem I ran into: After writing some pages down, I > >> > sheepishly > >> > realized that some material already existed as child pages. But I > don't > >> > have > >> > edit permissions to the top level of those child pages, which makes it > >> > hard > >> > to incorporate some of my changes and esp. to consolidate all the > >> > material > >> > at the top level. > >> > > >> > Here are some solutions: I could go ahead and build out all the > material > >> > and > >> > then propose a consolidation. I could build it on my own website and > >> > find > >> > some way to export the book to be imported into Drupal.org. I could > have > >> > access to the top level pages. I could do something during DrupalCon. > >> > > >> > I am open to suggestions. 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URL: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/attachments/20090227/ff9f42b9/attachment.htm From nan_wich at bellsouth.net Fri Feb 27 22:25:39 2009 From: nan_wich at bellsouth.net (Nancy Wichmann) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:25:39 -0500 Subject: [documentation] Forms API handbook volunteer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steven Jones wrote: > If one were to write a book, would you buy it? :-) If I had the money, there are several Drupal books I would buy. > Should the main bulk of the section be examples, with step by step explanations then? Yes, that's what I would suggest. Nancy E. Wichmann, PMP Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. - Martin L. King, Jr. -----Original Message----- From: documentation-bounces at drupal.org [mailto:documentation-bounces at drupal.org]On Behalf Of Steven Jones Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:29 AM To: A list for documentation writers Subject: Re: [documentation] Forms API handbook volunteer If one were to write a book, would you buy it? :-) Should the main bulk of the section be examples, with step by step explanations then? So if you're looking to do XYZ you can find xyz (that looks almost like it) and follow along? Regards Steven Jones ComputerMinds ltd - Perfect Drupal Websites Phone : 0121 288 0434 Mobile : 07951 270 026 http://www.computerminds.co.uk 2009/2/27 Nancy Wichmann : > Steven Jones wrote: >> Can anyone suggest what the FormAPI docs should cover? > I could easily see this get to book length. What I would like to see is > practical examples that take people from basic forms on through to complex, > including multiple part and dynamic forms. 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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1975 - Release Date: 2/27/2009 7:05 AM From g at 8vue.com Fri Feb 27 23:15:20 2009 From: g at 8vue.com (George) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:15:20 +0100 Subject: [documentation] Forms API handbook volunteer In-Reply-To: <1aebaaf0902271321x317d7a92wb98f6ffda85af500@mail.gmail.com> References: <1aebaaf0902252028o34d05cc9s48734cf188b8e8b4@mail.gmail.com> <1aebaaf0902261138o4bfff716i2e679bb307b75b62@mail.gmail.com> <1aebaaf0902271321x317d7a92wb98f6ffda85af500@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A87408.2070501@8vue.com> i'd like to suggest, examples. ie. a simple fapi array gives what type of element / form? a lot can be inferred from a simple example that would take many more words. and the example only needs to cover the point of the example, so, if you're discussing setting up a textfield, then no need to create the whole form, just that element. also system_settings_form is a great helper function ;) i also think the reference chart for fapi is a great resource once you've got the basics. thanks Sameer Siruguri wrote: > Steven, > > the feedback I have seen on different forums is not very detailed -- > it's mostly of the sort, "I wish there were more > detailed/comprehensive documentation about forms." > > One proposal I have is that we start putting something out there and > see how people react to it, sort of a wiki style of doing it, where we > incorporate comments over time once there is something to comment to. > > Alternatively, we could canvas some of the people who have commented > on various Drupal related websites about the difficulty of getting > comprehensive documentation and ask what they are lacking. > > I think the spectrum will be fairly wide in terms of expertise people > who are looking for Forms docs already have, but I wouldn't be > surprised if many of them are newbies trying to get to grips with the > basics. As Nancy notes, there will also be people looking to do > dynamic elements and multi-stage forms. > > One idea I had was to first create the detailed description of > _everything_ the API does, and then write an FAQ for some of the > common-case tasks, that point to entries in the detailed description. > > Thoughts? > Sameer. > > > On 2/27/09, *Steven Jones* > wrote: > > Essentially, before launching into the massive effort of documenting > FormAPI, we should have the discussion: 'What should we document'. > > You mention: "lots of folks have been commenting on the lack of > something good". What are they after? Are they newbies getting to > grips with forms? Are they experienced developers wanting to do more? > > Can anyone suggest what the FormAPI docs should cover? > > > Regards > Steven Jones > ComputerMinds ltd - Perfect Drupal Websites > > Phone : 0121 288 0434 > Mobile : 07951 270 026 > http://www.computerminds.co.uk > > > > 2009/2/26 Sameer Siruguri >: > > Steven, > > > > good to hear from you. I cannot make DrupalCon in DC, more's the > pity. I am > > interested in learning more about your views on how to properly > document the > > Forms API. Did you mean to say that the outline written by > Steven Peck is > > the one you have some doubts about? Or just the general style of the > > content? > > > > I am interested in getting content out there asap, lots of folks > have been > > commenting on the lack of something good. Personally, I think > having an > > explanation of the steps inside drupal_get_form (process, > prepare, alter, > > render, etc.) would be very useful, esp. for ninja developers. > It's easy to > > get things mixed up if you don't know the exact order in which > these steps > > are called, including the parts where weights get sorted out, > and when > > pre/post_render functions get called. > > > > I would love to discuss some of these over email, if that's > possible, or of > > course, to hear more about what you learn at DrupalCon. > > > > Cheers! > > Sameer. > > > > On 2/26/09, Steven Jones > wrote: > >> > >> Hi Sameer, > >> > >> I actually was just the last person to edit that page, the > content is > >> down to Steven Peck. > >> > >> In any case I'm not sure that documenting FormAPI like that is the > >> best way to go. Like you I've wanted to document FormAPI better > for a > >> while now, but I'm not sure the best way to approach it. Maybe we > >> could gather a few interested parties at Drupalcon D.C. and have a > >> little chat about the best way forward. > >> > >> Are the any other's who'd be interested in helping out with > FormAPI docs? > >> > >> Regards > >> Steven Jones > >> ComputerMinds ltd - Perfect Drupal Websites > >> > >> Phone : 0121 288 0434 > >> Mobile : 07951 270 026 > >> http://www.computerminds.co.uk > >> > >> > >> > >> 2009/2/26 Sameer Siruguri >: > >> > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > I have been interested in fleshing out, and collating, the > documentation > >> > for > >> > the Forms API for some time now, and recently got started on > writing out > >> > the > >> > material that would go under the headings that Steven Jones > wrote out on > >> > this page: http://drupal.org/node/204270 (Here's a page I > wrote, with > >> > one > >> > child: http://drupal.org/node/384120) > >> > > >> > Here's the problem I ran into: After writing some pages down, I > >> > sheepishly > >> > realized that some material already existed as child pages. > But I don't > >> > have > >> > edit permissions to the top level of those child pages, which > makes it > >> > hard > >> > to incorporate some of my changes and esp. to consolidate all the > >> > material > >> > at the top level. > >> > > >> > Here are some solutions: I could go ahead and build out all > the material > >> > and > >> > then propose a consolidation. I could build it on my own > website and > >> > find > >> > some way to export the book to be imported into Drupal.org. I > could have > >> > access to the top level pages. I could do something during > DrupalCon. > >> > > >> > I am open to suggestions. Thanks! > >> > Sameer. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > -- > >> > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >> > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > >> > > >> -- > >> Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > >> List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > > > > > > -- > > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Pending work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/documentation/ > List archives: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/