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Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 22:14:28 -0700<BR>From: dibyanlp@yahoo.com<BR>To: documentation@drupal.org<BR>Subject: [documentation] Unsubscribe<BR><BR>
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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Steve Dondley <s@dondley.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=EC_replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Frederik 'Freso' S. Olesen<BR>wrote:<BR>> Steve Dondley skrev:<BR>>><BR>>> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 1:43 AM, Angela Byron <BR>>> wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>> Steve Dondley wrote:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> What's wrong with being as public as possible with patting people on<BR>>>>> the back?<BR>>>><BR>>>> Well, the things that I mentioned in my previous mails that were glossed<BR>>>> over because of the ownership vs. maintainership clarification:<BR>>>><BR>>>> - A movement toward individual ownership of *handbook pages*, rather<BR>>>> than community ownership of *the handbook*.<BR>>>> - Additional responsibility laid on the original author which currently<BR>>>> doesn't exist.<BR>>>> - A bulls-eye on the forehead of anyone who contributes documentation,<BR>>>> for easy target practice from people seeking support.<BR>>>> - Sticky questions about who "really" owns $page, when this often isn't<BR>>>> clear or can even possibly be determined.<BR>>>> - Additional administrative overhead for docs team members who could<BR>>>> instead just be writing and improving the docs.<BR>>><BR>>> I've said repeatedly I'm not attached to that proposal. I really don't<BR>>> care about it so that effectively kills debate on it, doesn't it? [...]<BR>><BR>> As I read it, all the above concerns apply just as well to your original<BR>> proposal (and was meant as comments to your original proposal as well, if<BR>> I'm not much mistaken) as they did/do to you "maintainer proposal". Stop<BR>> using your dismissal of the "maintainer proposal" as an excuse to easily<BR>> dismiss these (IMHO) valid points/issues.<BR><BR>I think you are mistaken. To be sure, please state exactly which<BR>points from the 2nd proposal for maintainers/owners (now withdrawn),<BR>apply to the first, which is to have a more easily accessible, more<BR>public list of page contributors.<BR><BR>><BR>>>>> Do you think giving people more credit will help Drupal find more<BR>>>>> contributors? Yes or no? Because that's what this is really about.<BR>>>><BR>>>> The answer is, I don't know. It's certainly not a motivating factor for<BR>>>> me, personally, nor apparently for the 700+ existing handbook<BR>>>> contributors who are apparently fine and dandy with the existing level<BR>>>> of credit they receive.<BR>>><BR>>> Well, I can only speculate, but I doubt you would be happy toiling<BR>>> away on Drupal in perfect obscurity. How would have Lullabot ever<BR>>> found you? As great as you are, I still think an ego lurks within. :)<BR>><BR>> Even if she wasn't given credit, she was still obviously found. Why was she<BR>> found? Probably because she was active. She isn't given credit in the code,<BR>> she isn't given credit in the documentation (well, what I've found). She is<BR>> given credit in the edit history (CVS messages, revisions) and as a<BR>> participant of discussions (mailing list, IRC, issue queue) though, just as<BR>> you are. And this was good enough for them to find her. (Sorry for speaking<BR>> on your behalf, Angie, but I was already answering his mail, so I couldn't<BR>> skip this bit. :p)<BR><BR>Right, we agree, credit is good. It's the grease that fuels the open<BR>source world. You can't have too much of a good thing.<BR><BR>><BR>>>> However, I can clearly see that it's a<BR>>>> motivating factor for you, which probably means that it's a motivating<BR>>>> factor for some other people out there. Whether dumping a whole bunch of<BR>>>> time and energy into creating some sort of credit system will pay off in<BR>>>> a slew of new documentation contributions, I don't think anyone can say.<BR>>>> I certainly don't think it's a no-brainer, though.<BR>>><BR>>> I think the changes I proposed will not require "dumping a whole bunch<BR>>> of time and energy." Just to create a simple block to list the<BR>>> contributors to a document page? [...]<BR>><BR>> It will require PHP/SQL to be written by coders and reviewed by Security<BR>> Team and then implemented by d.o webmasters on d.o. My guess would be that<BR>> this will take more than "an hour or two".<BR><BR>OK, please enlighten me. About how long do you think it would take?<BR><BR>Again, let me be more specific about the requirements:<BR><BR>1) Will generate a single block on each page (hopefully could be cached).<BR>2) Would list all contributors to the existing document page.<BR><BR>Seems like one simple query would generate the block. I don't see any<BR>security risks.<BR><BR>If people are adamant about not being seen in these lists, they could<BR>uncheck a box in the user profile.<BR><BR>Are we on the same page here as far as requirements go?<BR><BR>><BR>>>> I'd be more +1 towards something like Greg suggests, where we make the<BR>>>> list of handbook maintainers more clear, or even going as silly as<BR>>>> adding little badges next to the names of anyone who contributes to the<BR>>>> handbook. Make the recognition around the act of contributing to the<BR>>>> 'greater good' of the handbook itself, rather than personal glory around<BR>>>> individual pages.<BR>>>><BR>>>> However, until/unless someone steps up to spec out and code something,<BR>>>> this is all just theoretical discussion. I'm going to get back to coding<BR>>>> now. ;)<BR>>><BR>>> All real progress starts with discussion. Please don't be so dismissive.<BR>><BR>> See my first comments, please? :)<BR>><BR>> --<BR>> Sincerely,<BR>> Frederik 'Freso' S. 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