Fernando and all,<br><br>@Fernando: "our goal could be to achieve clear solutions for getting more contributors."<br><br>I agree. I think this thread has run its course. See the links below.<br><br>@Fernando: "the spirit of OpenSource is democracy, there is not OpenSource without democracy."<br>
<br>What I meant in that context was: "We don't take formal votes to make decisions." Also in that context, where I was challenging Steve P., the head of Drupal's Documentation team, I wanted to make sure he knew I wasn't challenging his authority. But yes, I agree with everything you said.<br>
<br>Here are two action follow-ups that emerged from this conversation that are now on the issue queue:<br><a href="http://drupal.org/node/263490">Proposal to give anonymous users access to revisions tab on doc pages</a>.<br>
<a href="http://drupal.org/node/263767">Proposal to add a block to thank current contributors and recruit new ones</a>.<br><br>Shai<br><br>On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Fernando P. García <<a href="mailto:fernando@develcuy.com">fernando@develcuy.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Shai, let me say with respect and good feeling: the spirit of OpenSource is democracy, there is not OpenSource without democracy. We are not equals but we all use the same: Drupal, and we all part of the same community: Drupal. Nobody used a gun for moving us to collaborate. And from my personal point of view: Nothing more near to the truth may become successful, because Democracy is a divine principle.<br>
<br>So, please notice this particular topic is near to 100 replies: <a href="http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/2008-May/date.html" target="_blank">http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/2008-May/date.html</a>, and our goal could be to achieve clear solutions for getting more contributors.<br>
<br>Blessings!<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Shai Gluskin <<a href="mailto:shai@content2zero.com" target="_blank">shai@content2zero.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>Steve P. wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">This is not a performance question as far as I am concerned, this is a benefit of<br>
joining the community.</blockquote><br></div>@steve-p I disagree with this assertion. It suggests that one of the goals of Drupal.org is to try to get people to join the community via registering at the site. It suggests that <a href="http://drupal.org" target="_blank">drupal.org</a> withholds goodies in order to get them to register.<br>
<br>There are many legitimate reasons to hold back various functionalities from anonymous users (e.g. security, system resources etc.), but I don't believe that restricting project transparency for the sake of increasing the number of registered users at Drupal.org is a valid reason.<br>
<br>I have been really impressed with transparency in the Drupal project. The proceedings of the project are available for public review. I find that inspiring. That kind of transparency is rare in the worlds of government, business, and sadly, non-profits as well. Leaders are typically concerned with message, spin, and control. I haven't seen much of that in Drupal. (I'm user/50259, joined in 2/06 and have gotten steadily more involved over time.)<br>
<br>I often need to explain to people that open-source does not mean "egalitarian" -- we are not all equal in the project. And Dries as project leader has the final say on many things, especially as regards to core. It isn't a democracy. But the success of the project does rely on highly motivated people becoming involved. I believe that the significant transparency of this project is one of the motivating factors for people to become involved.<br>
<br>The Revisions Tab is a small part of Drupal's transparency profile. But it worries me, even in this little arena, to think of access to certain information being used as a reward for registration. That feels controlling to me. It feels counter to Drupal's open approach.<br>
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<br>Shai</font><div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Steven Peck <<a href="mailto:sepeck@gmail.com" target="_blank">sepeck@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
We are not enabling revisions for anonymous users. This is not a<br>
performance question as far as I am concerned, this is a benefit of<br>
joining the community.<br>
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On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 2:12 PM, catch <<a href="mailto:catch56@googlemail.com" target="_blank">catch56@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Peter Wolanin<br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Regarding making revisions available to anonymous users - you'd better<br>
>> talk to Gerhard and Narayan (and other infra people). The scalability<br>
>> problem might be that you've essentially doubled the number of<br>
>> handbook pages that will be spidered.<br>
><br>
><br>
> If we excluded *revisions* in robots.txt we could probably avoid the<br>
> spidering. That's probably one post subdomain-split anyway.<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://drupal.org/handbook/updates" target="_blank">http://drupal.org/handbook/updates</a> was exactly the page I meant, couldn't<br>
> place it when I typed the e-mail. Ta!<br>
><br>
> Nat<br>
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