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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=Arial>Going through these documents, I
can find allot of "out of scope" information. I think we can trim out this
information to make these documents shorter. People don’t want to read
long documents, and do not. Please see <A
title="http://drupal.org/node/446654#comment-1526984 CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://drupal.org/node/446654#comment-1526984">http://drupal.org/node/446654#comment-1526984</A> for
an example of were I think this is pushing the limits of what is in scope.
In fact allot of this information has nothing to do with CVS access at
all!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=Arial>This document maybe moved, but
it wont ever be deleted. It needs allot of attention and the hand of a
true writer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is clear that there is some frustration over the
application process for CVS access. That people are not reading it
all. Yet bloating the document makes things worse, not better. We
need the best of the best of the Doc Team to come in and re-do this. A
good writer will say more in less words. I tend to try and write more to
cover all aspects of a topic. Thus I tend to bloat a document to include
things that maybe obvious to others.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In the end, the person maintaining CVS access will
always get bad CVS requests. I feel this is a crucial area of Drupal that
requires a person who has a very patient attitude. Getting people to
Contrib. is probably one of the most important aspects of the website and
community. I will ask that I am not apart of the people who review's these
requests because I know I have the patience of a (thinking of some analogy)...
Spitting Cobra! A-HA!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mike</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=drupal@rocktreesky.com
href="mailto:drupal@rocktreesky.com">Addison Berry</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 27, 2009 5:07 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=documentation@drupal.org
href="mailto:documentation@drupal.org">A list for documentation writers</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [documentation] Proposal of HandBook and CVS
documentationchanges!</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Yeah, this stuff has been in need of a "do-over" for a while
generally. I will say though that these *were* more consolidated when the
Getting Involved book was created. I have reverted the moves that have happened
since then to re-consolidate them, for the time-being. That is, I have moved
Drupal and CVS back to the Getting Involved guide, and I moved the
Start/Maintain a Module back under the Contribute Code section. We
definitely have some large architectural issues in the handbook and we also do
not have any clear way to "control" it, even if we set it, since different
people see things being organized in different ways and we have no restrictions
on book organizational changes at the moment.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I would ask that folks hold off making big location changes in the
documentation for the time-being, unless it is discussed on the list or in an
issue in the doc queue first, with broad consensus that it "just makes
sense." The reason for this is that I will be making a really big announcement
in the next two weeks about the overall docs roadmap and one of the biggest
pieces of that will be the IA (information architecture) of all Drupal docs. We
have an IA person who has volunteered to lead the project (and everyone will be
encouraged to be a part of it). Once we get some preliminary stuff taken care of
and I can articulate all of this stuff in a meaningful way about how we can move
forward, I'll be posting to the doc list and then making a front page post on
Drupal.org.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Mike, thanks for bringing this up, as it is very important and something we
need to really figure out a long-term solution for, so I hope you will keep
digging in to this and giving us feedback.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Thanks all :-)</DIV>
<DIV>Addi</DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>On Apr 27, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Mike Parisi wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I know this post wont be perfect, and I don’t
mean to insult anyone. If I do its completely unintentional and due to a
statement that was probably a bit skewed.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have been beating my head over CVS for
MONTHS. Partially because the documentation is scattered and not
organized. Often times you read a document and it mentions allot of
specifics (But not all) about CVS. What you need is missing, for
example a major document on CVS contribute does not contain other CVS
utilities, while these are located in another section of the site. This
leaves the reader feeling empty and also leaves us not looking
elsewhere. This also bloats pages so that users feel daunted by the
tasks required.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I propose a major change in the structure of
these sections for many reasons. The most prominent one is that the
information is scattered across 3 separate area's!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://drupal.org/node/10259">http://drupal.org/node/10259</A><BR><A
href="http://drupal.org/node/7765">http://drupal.org/node/7765</A><BR><A
href="http://drupal.org/handbook/cvs">http://drupal.org/handbook/cvs</A>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think that many of these pages are bloated
duplicate information and thus are not read! This is evident in the <A
title="http://drupal.org/cvs-application/requirements CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://drupal.org/cvs-application/requirements">http://drupal.org/cvs-application/requirements</A>
contains the following statement: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"If you just scrolled down this page to the apply
link and didn't read the page, don't expect to get a CVS account. It seems
many people are doing just that and submitting poor motivation messages
resulting in a high decline rate."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well this is probably because people can not find
the information they need, and the page contains everything from CVS
information to Coding Standards information. I will fix a few problems I
have found with the current structure, but this is very complex set of
documentation with allot of overlapping information and unclear
navigation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One proposal is that much of the information
should (or is) included in the <A
href="http://drupal.org/handbook/cvs">http://drupal.org/handbook/cvs</A>, and
removed from the handbook. Instead a sub page in the handbook that
specifically talks about CVS and Coding Standards should be added to the
handbook. That adds a quick over-view of why CVS and Coding Standards
and where to find the information needed. It is important </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Finding the documents is confounded because
Druplicons "cvs?" command is unclear at best and does not include all three
links above.</FONT></DIV>
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