[support] Is this achievable using drupal alone?
Neil: esl-lounge.com
neil at esl-lounge.com
Sun Mar 16 08:24:48 UTC 2008
I just wanted to say, I hadn't ignored your response Michael - just that
it's one level above my current understanding of Drupal, so it was my
intention to look through your original post again in the next day or so and
possibly set up an example few pages to see it in operation.
Just to clarify, the first thing I'd have to do is set up a "City Name"
vocabulary and tag a few nodes (video, image, blog entry) with "Dallas" and
then begin to set up the views as you explained?
Neil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Prasuhn" <mike at mikeyp.net>
To: <support at drupal.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 3:01 AM
Subject: Re: [support] Is this achievable using drupal alone?
With the method I outlined, each city, is a node, of whatever content
type you set up for cities. You can configure your fields however you
want. One benefit of doing it this way, is that then city nodes can be
indexed by search, (even though the views content inside of them will
not be indexed) so that when someone searches for 'Dallas' the node
for Dallas is in the search results instead of only other posts tagged
with Dallas.
As far as vocab control.... I am not sure what the best method is
here, if you want users to be able to create them, and limit them at
the same time. You could set it up with a fixed vocabulary, or maybe
even as a multiple value node reference field for tagging other posts.
If you go that route, just point the node reference to only return
nodes of the content type for cities that you create. Other than that
I would say, maybe disallow free tagging, and allow multiple selects,
and programatically create the terms when each new city page is created.
Not sure if that fits with your workflow or not. I suppose you could
even go the opposite way and create nodes programmatically based on
the creation of new terms in your chosen vocab.
I don't know that Organic Groups is or isn't the right solution for
you, generally I tend to lean towards organic groups for things like
access control for groups of people or anything that manages subsets
of membership. If neither of those is an issue for you, I'd still say
you could use it, but it isn't the first tool I'd reach for if doing
the type of project you're working on.
-Mike
On Mar 15, 2008, at 3:40 PM, Neil: esl-lounge.com wrote:
> Sander,
>
> Thanks. I have a couple of questions relating to your idea:
>
> 1. would your solution allow for each city's InfoBox as shown in my
> page
> mockup image? How would this info be entered? As this info would be
> unique
> to each city, I thought the only way of doing it would be to have
> the city
> page itself as a content type (or "group", which is a content type
> anyway, I
> suppose) and use CCK fields to get that info into each city's page.
> How
> would Views allow me to do it?
>
> 2. How would I have a tight policy of tags across the different
> content
> types to ensure all dallas content did indeed end up in the right
> View?
> Would I have to set up a "Location" vocabulary (with 100,000 potential
> terms??) and not allow free tagging or multiple tagging. I'm just
> trying to
> get my head around a few of the more mundane queries running through
> my
> head.
>
> Finally, would you not suggest doing this via OG as I mentioned in an
> earlier mail?
>
> Neil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sander-martijn" <lists at severeddreams.com>
> To: <support at drupal.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 9:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [support] Is this achievable using drupal alone?
>
>
> Check out views arguments. With this you could have a cities view
> that
> lists all the cities out, and cities/dallas to show dallas tx with
> it's
> own header and listings etc, or a lot of things like that. Also
> take a
> look at some of the other views modules, like the views bonus pack.
>
> .sander
>
> Neil: esl-lounge.com wrote:
>> Thanks for the responses so far...this has certainly kept my brain
>> busy
>> for the last couple of days and there are still a lot of
>> uncertainties
>> in my mind. I'm not sure I understand how I would use Views to
>> present
>> each "page" for each city with the tagged entries underneath. As I
>> understand Views, I could present a list (table, full nodes or
>> teasers)
>> with, for example, all content tagged with "Dallas, TX", but how
>> would I
>> alter what comes at the top of each page (using, presumably the
>> page/header text box)? I would ideally like to present some type of
>> Info
>> box at the top of each city's page (founded, population, long/lat,
>> country/state, etc). I wouldn't be able to do this with views,
>> would I?
>> This is also why I was toying with the idea of just having a group
>> for
>> each city.
>>
>> Using CCK, I could have member enter all the Info Box fields when
>> they
>> create each new one. Then, using my exisiting node-group.tpl.php, the
>> group page could be laid out with the info box at the top of the
>> page,
>> the mission statement, etc, to one side and all the relevant content
>> (forum posts, blog entries, images, pagers, etc) showing below. So I
>> might have something like this:
>>
>> http://i29.tinypic.com/9bazyf.png
>>
>> Does this sound workable? What problems are there in having
>> potentially
>> 10,000 groups? Or 100,000? How would I get them all to link
>> together (as
>> the [category:Texas] function would allow me to do in MediaWiki, for
>> example.)? Is there any way I could use a special CCK field to
>> introduce
>> the idea of hierarchy (United States >> Texas >> Dallas >> Plano)
>> into
>> the group content type? Or would I need to get busy with a Location
>> taxonomy and tag each new group as it's created??
>>
>> Again, I really appreciate any input on this from anyone, if only to
>> point me in the right direction.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Metzler, David <mailto:metzlerd at evergreen.edu>
>> *To:* support at drupal.org <mailto:support at drupal.org>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:42 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [support] Is this achievable using drupal alone?
>>
>> If it were mine, I’d make the cities be required taxonomy terms
>> for
>> the content type. Then people create individual entries and tag
>> them as Dallas, Texas or Clairborne or whatever. Use views with a
>> term as an argument to pull lists of content for a city. People
>> can
>> comment or make their own entries for the city.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* support-bounces at drupal.org
>> [mailto:support-bounces at drupal.org] *On Behalf Of *Neil:
>> esl-lounge.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:27 AM
>> *To:* support at drupal.org
>> *Subject:* [support] Is this achievable using drupal alone?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have quite a specific content-type requirement for my site and
>> have been pulling my hair out thinking about how I could achieve
>> it
>> with drupal - so I turn to this support list, if not for a
>> solution,
>> then for at least a pointer or two to push me nearer an answer.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a site where I want members to be able to enter information
>> about hundreds or even thousands of cities. It's not relevant
>> exactly what type of information they are writing.
>>
>>
>>
>> For example, a member creates a new X content type (this is the
>> big
>> question) and puts the title Dallas, Texas and writes a
>> paragraph or
>> two about it. Other members can rate that entry or attach comments
>> to it...or, very importantly, add their own entry, which would
>> have
>> equal weight to the first entry. Ultimately, tags could be
>> attached
>> to each entry to allow some type of sorting.
>>
>>
>>
>> Look here at a screenshot mock-up I've made to give some idea of
>> what I'm talking about.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://i31.tinypic.com/2lo0qkw.png
>>
>>
>>
>> The original idea called for a wiki where each city would be a
>> wiki
>> page, but we're now veering more towards having seperate entries
>> (not editable by other users) by each member, to which comments
>> can
>> be added. So these are almost nodes within nodes. We considered
>> some
>> type of views/og solution but is it feasible to have 10,000
>> views or
>> groups? Would views allow me to gather together, dynamically, all
>> "entries" on "Dallas, Texas" and seamlessly switch (using an
>> auto-complete text box perhaps) to Houston, Texas or to any of
>> 10,000 other towns? Would $arg help me there??
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there anything that already exists on drupal that can help me
>> towards a solution? I've already thought about book pages, forum
>> pages, groups for each city and a few other possibilities besides,
>> but nothing seems to fit. There could well be some useful modules
>> out there I am unaware of.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any guidance you can offer.
>>
>>
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
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