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i never said anyone (a person) is getting in my way.<br>
im merely telling you all because im about to bail out... without
giving my contributions to the community.<br>
its not my intention. just the system appears to be set up that way...<br>
I never said any person has been rude to me.. on the contrary...<br>
but the system is rude to me... isnt that fair to say?<br>
I see people requesting for more and better themes and when i try to
volunteer/contribute. im not able easily..<br>
the reason i forwarded this message to support is because this is a big
enough issue for me to stop contributing.<br>
im working right now with Kieran Lal to try to redesign the flow of the
admin interface for the drupal community.<br>
im not griping a diatribe! this is valid and you should really do your
best to see where im coming from .<br>
labeling me as someone who is using buzz words to get attention does
nothing to address the issues im raising.<br>
in fact your attitude is anything but understanding of my situation...<br>
<br>
My question to the drupal community is what do you do when someone like
me has a problem?<br>
You said in your email steven that drupal is in need of volunteers..<br>
hello... thats what im trying to do... and i cant.... <br>
is that not needed to be said?<br>
<br>
i dont understand why you make me feel bad when all im trying to do is
let you all know whats happening to me so WE can keep it from happening
to other people....<br>
read my email again if youre confused... im not blaming any person...
but i am stating the truth of my experience... you can accept it or
not... but its my truth regardless...<br>
and the fact is im a good designer too, and it might even benefit to
help me out a little to get on board.... <br>
<br>
right now im feeling attacked by your letter<br>
oh well im still writing because i care about the WHOLE and i want
others to be able to contribute easily too...<br>
whats wrong with wanting all of that.<br>
and why am i being ridiculed for giving feedback?<br>
how do you expect to make the system better....<br>
where am i supposed to put this message?<br>
these are all unanswered questions by me...<br>
<br>
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Steven Peck wrote:
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">No,
actually, it did not need to be said. </font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">Gerhard said
in his message that he was writing a module to do this. We suffer from
a terminal lack of volunteers willing to do work of any type. So some
things get more attention when those willing and able have the time to
do so. Only in December did the complete infrastructure of Drupal.org
finally get moved. This infrastructure change itself is what has made
it possible to even have this happen and took a few people a lot of man
hours of work to accomplish.</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">These
things take time. They take human beings real hours and real days to
do. No one is trying to 'insult' you and I had to count to 10 a few
times at your presumption that anyone was before I composed this
message.</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2">To be clear: NO ONE IS
DELIBERATELY GETTING IN YOUR WAY!</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2">Using buzz word compliant
terms like 'win/win' without offers to work/work/collaborate doesn't
help. Especially when nowhere in that polite message back to you did
anyone tell you to go <font face="Times New Roman" size="3">&^%$
yourself. Using such inflammatory phrasing is an Internet troll trick
to create a problem or pick a fight while portraying yourself as the
victim.</font></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Gerhard informed you in his polite message that he was
working on this so obviously he cares, yet you launched into your
diatribe anyway.</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2">-sp</font></div>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:support-bounces@drupal.org">support-bounces@drupal.org</a>
on behalf of Isaac Horton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sun 1/15/2006 11:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gerhard Killesreiter; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:support@drupal.org">support@drupal.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [support] Re: CVS account and need for a drupal
design champion....<br>
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<div>This is exactly the kind of response that leaves me
wondering.....<br>
im just trying to get into the contributions.<br>
i can login via eclipse anonymously no problem.<br>
this raises a much bigger issue.<br>
.<br>
It works like this for me.. ive got x % of time to donate to the
"drupal cause".<br>
so far for me 60% of x has been spent in frustration due to no cvs
access, poor themeing structure and loose organizational support of
design in the drupal community?<br>
how much can I endure, before ive become worn and jaded to whats really
possible here?? (how many before me have just walked away after
confronting such difficulty?)<br>
i feel like the type of contributions someone like me (a designer) can
make is <u>drastically </u>limited because of the extra hoops I have
to jump through. just to contribute..aka(volunteer)? im growing weary
of trying so hard... <br>
Its insulting and further incentive to use other tools that manifest a
more win/win (timesaving)approach vs. the standard drupal approach that
ive observed...."make it really hard, really really hard to
contribute.... and if youre a designer.... well just go &^%$
yourself... and go away" (or be prepared to donate a vast amount of
time to do something that other orgs have automated and appear to care
more about.<br>
<br>
i like drupal. i want to help...<br>
but i can only "tread water"(keep it up) for so long while the system
thats currently in place serves to suppress my motivation.<br>
Isnt there anyone in the Drupal Core team who "champions" the need for
good design?<br>
will this ever be addressed?<br>
Does anyone even care?<br>
sorry for the gurmbles! but this needs to be said.......<br>
<br>
<br>
-Isaac<br>
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Gerhard Killesreiter wrote:
<blockquote cite="" type="cite">Isaac Horton wrote: <br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Im just wondering what every happened to my
cvs account request. supposedly i was added but when i try to login, i
can only do it anonymously. <br>
ive tried a million combination of my passcodes and now its been quite
a few months and i still cant offer up the contributions Ive created? <br>
I dont want to be a pain in the ass but is there any way you can reset
my cvs account password????? <br>
<br>
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First of all: Which repository are you trying to access? Second: no, I
can't reset the password, but I am writing a Drupal module that will
allow you to do that after it is insallted on drupal.org. <br>
<br>
Cheers, <br>
Gerhard <br>
<br>
<br>
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