<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">The choice of whether to use Drupal 7 now will depend on whether you already have Drupal experience, and your tolerance for pain. Drupal 7 sounds really great, but every one of the folks recommending Drupal 7 be used now, have stated that you will be helping debug and contributing to the community. This is great if you have the relevant skills, but for a newby using mostly modules and standard capabilities, will probably have a more satisfying experience by going to D6 now and upgrading in 6 mo. For example, I notice that ubercart is in beta1. For some, this is an important module. The issue of the availability of documentation and help books is also critical, especially for newbies. Drupal is somewhat complicated and a newby isn't going to know whether an issue is a bug, or a feature. Also, it sounds like there is plenty of help for upgrading to D7 from D6.<div><br></div><div>So, that said, it seems that the options are laid out pretty clearly by the replies to the initial question. Also, I'm very much looking forward to upgrading my D6 site to 7. The features listed below sound really nice.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Bill</div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; ">William A. Prothero</span></span></span></font></p><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; "><a href="http://earthednet.org/">http://earthednet.org/</a></span></p><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span></span></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span></div></span> </div><br><div><div>On Feb 21, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Neil Coghlan wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> ultimately, D7 will be the good choice but not till spring at least...5 criticals and 200+ majors (many of which would have been critical under old system) tells you it isn't ready (and, maybe controversially, I don't think it was launch ready in Jan either)<br> <br> On 21/02/2011 13:12, Marilyn Langfeld wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:AANLkTim1_am1GYhD3U2LWQRitTGzoqL5LZQCgrQ2_cfG@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">I agree with Larry and Jamie, <div><br> </div> <div>I just finished taking Webchick's Drupal 7 Tour in Washington, DC. on Saturday and Sunday.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Here are just a few of the points I learned that make D7 a great choice: </div> <div> <ul> <li>Many of the features of Pressflow built into core</li> <li>Huge initial release stability improvements due to using SimpleTest php testing suite (over 30,000 tests).</li> <li>Taxonomies/vocabularies can be added to entities (users, comments, taxonomy terms, one more I didn't note) </li> <li>Entities (fieldable objects), bundles (entity subsets) and instances (fields attached to entities)</li> <li>Files are now objects: document storage possibilities unlocked</li> <li><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://upgrade.boombatower.com/">http://upgrade.boombatower.com/</a> and/or coder module help automate module upgrading from D6 to D7</li> <li>Database abstraction layer: huge improvements. Ability to use any database that php supports.</li> <li>Dynamic jquery form-building without the pain: don't need to code the javascript</li> <li>Theming easier and more powerful (with field-able entities giving much finer-grained control)</li> <li><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://drupal.org/update/theme/6/7">http://drupal.org/update/theme/6/7</a> for guide to upgrade themes from D6 to D7</div> </li> <li>Better media handling: built into core</li> <li>Usability and accessibility improvements make content administration much easier, more intuitive. Admin overlay keeps the page open where you initiated it (can be disabled if preferred)</li> <li>Modules can be installed via user interface.</li> </ul> </div> <div>And that's just a sampling of the things I learned. Why do a site in D6 now if you can do it in D7? It's ready, though many modules aren't. Best thing we can all do is help the effort to move more modules to D7 asap.</div> <div>-- <br> <div>Best, Marilyn</div> <br> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://twitter.com/MarilynsView" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/MarilynsView</a> <div><br> </div> <br> <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Jamie Holly <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:hovercrafter@earthlink.net">hovercrafter@earthlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">I agree with Larry, especially if you are doing a site for a client.<br> It's best to put them on the latest version so that they enjoy a longer<br> support cycle on it, and considering the Drupal 6 support will be<br> dropped in a couple of years (hopefully), it will keep them happier.<br> <br> The only real problem you might have with Drupal 7 is if you are just<br> starting out in Drupal. You won't find as much information out there on<br> it like you can for Drupal 6, especially if you are doing any custom<br> development in it. True Drupal has great support lists, so if you run<br> into a snag you can always get excellent help.<br> <font color="#888888"><br> Jamie Holly<br> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.intoxination.net" target="_blank">http://www.intoxination.net</a><br> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.hollyit.net" target="_blank">http://www.hollyit.net</a><br> </font> <div> <div class="h5"><br> <br> On 2/21/2011 1:38 AM, Larry Garfield wrote:<br> > Drupal 7's "maturity period" will be far shorter than it was for D6. Drupal 6<br> > had a very long lag time while contrib caught up. For Drupal 7, we have<br> > Fields in core, tons of additional functionality in core, VIews is already<br> > usable on D7, there's hundreds of modules with stable or beta versions for<br> > D7...<br> ><br> > My company (Palantir.net) has been building Drupal 7 sites for over six months<br> > now. If you know what you're doing, it's ready *today*. There are some<br> > significant contribs that arent ready, but that's a great opportunity for you<br> > to jump in and help get them ready. And the knowledge you gain in so doing is<br> > worth gold to clients looking for someone who can show they really know their<br> > Drupal.<br> ><br> > Unless you need a specific module that's not already ready, and you have a<br> > tight deadline, Drupal 7 is already mature enough, I'd argue. Drupal 6 was an<br> > anomaly in that regard.<br> ><br> > --Larry Garfield<br> ><br> > On Monday, February 21, 2011 12:20:22 am Mutuku Ndeti wrote:<br> > > Hi,<br> > ><br> > > I am using d6 for now until d7 is "mature" enough. This would be about<br> > > 6 months to one year after launch.<br> > ><br> > > All the best.<br> > ><br> > > On 2/21/11, Warren Vail<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:warren@vailtech.net">warren@vailtech.net</a>> wrote:<br> > > > I host better than a dozen Drupal sites, and while I am planning to<br> > > > switch my dev site to D7 in about 6 mos, if that goes well, I'll begin<br> > > > to move my client sites when I discover the support for D7 (newer and<br> > > > better modules) is better than D6. I don't want to expose my clients to<br> > > > "The Bleeding Edge".<br> > > ><br> > > ><br> > > ><br> > > > Warren Vail<br> ><br> --<br> [ Drupal support list | <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://lists.drupal.org/" target="_blank">http://lists.drupal.org/</a> ]<br> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br> <br> </div> </blockquote> </div> -- <br>[ Drupal support list | <a href="http://lists.drupal.org/">http://lists.drupal.org/</a> ]</blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>