José and folks,<br><br>If the conclusion is that "we Spanish speaking folks are in general lazy
about contributing" I am afraid the project won't go much further, will it?<br><br>On the other hand, saying "
What many people has done so far is uploading their po files." is a bit contradictory with that assertion and saying "
but all of them are incomplete" is untrue (I am speking for myself, as I cannot sepak for anybody else).<br><br>Main thing is, in my opinion, that Drupal Hispano lacks the media to give feedback to a disorganized effort and to steer it.<br>
<br>You may say that is not so, but as a user on the other side of the fence I can tell you there is no evident feedback from Drupal Hispano nor there is an evident way to 'upgrade' the efforts.<br><br>The Translation server is terrible to use (a rather messy interface) and after trying to collaborate with it for a while, you start to get the sinking feeling your effort goes nowhere (again: There is no feedback).<br>
<br>But so be it, your place, your rules, your opinion.<br><br>Me, I will be posting po files whenever I have one whole at Drupal.org. Anybody that feels like it can amend them as much as needed and post them wherever due. If I see that Drupal Hispano goes ahead, I will try to do my best with DH as well.<br>
<br>Nice to hear an opinion from DH, anyway.<br><br>Regards from a rainy Madrid. Gustavo<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/6/8 Jose A. Reyero <<a href="mailto:drupal@reyero.net">drupal@reyero.net</a>>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Sure,<br>
<br>
First of all, the project is alive. A different issue issue is that the
level/speed of contributions is really low and I have to agree we are
moving at a really slow pace, we are trying though: (Spanish)
<a href="http://drupal.org.es/node/4131" target="_blank">http://drupal.org.es/node/4131</a><br>
(At this point I'm guessing that the current core translation is ok for
most people, as most of the end user interface is already translated
and no one has too
much interest in translating strings like table field descriptions and
that kind of stuff)<br>
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What many people has done so far is uploading their po files. That's
cool,
but all of them are incomplete and most of them happen to have
translated (and lack) mostly the same groups of strings (The most used
UI part). This has resulted in a huge number of strings to review
(which takes time for reviewers) while still there are missing ones,
and that's why we are encouraging people not to do it anymore.<br>
<br>
That is about the Drupal 6 core translation. About the modules, we are
not using if for contributed modules yet -which is no real excuse for
the low number of contributed Spanish module translations, as these can
be submitted for each module as we've been doing for ages.<br>
<br>
So let's say just that we Spanish speaking folks are in general lazy
about contributing.<br>
<br>
The reasons for which the DH (Drupal Spanish) site administrators have
not added any module yet are mainly two:<br>
- We thought that focusing our efforts on Drupal core first was a
higher priority.<br>
- So far, no one (zero people) has came forward and offered himself to
maintain a contrib module translation.<br>
(Also we had some server load issues in the past, but these seem to be
fixed now)<br>
<br>
This point, as everything else in DH is open for discussion. However,
the first condition for considering opening the server to contributed
modules is that someone takes reponsibility for periodically updating
the module source po and then takes care of reviewing the translations,
exporting and submitting the po file to the module's issue tracker. Be
warned that is not a one time work. Modules are updated all the time
and submitted strings need review, so we need some commitment here.<br>
<br>
So be warned that requests for other people to just do more work will
be possibly ignored. Now if someone wants to take the job , please,
<a href="http://drupal.org.es/forum/17" target="_blank">http://drupal.org.es/forum/17</a> or contact the site administrators,
<a href="http://drupal.org.es/dh/administradores" target="_blank">http://drupal.org.es/dh/administradores</a><br>
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Cheers,<br><font color="#888888">
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Jose</font><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
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On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Gustavo Sánchez Muńoz <a href="mailto:gusgsm@gmail.com" target="_blank"><gusgsm@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre>Hi, Gabor and folks
Let me please, jump into this conversation to answer a question:
< Well, let's first talk about why are you going on your own way instead
< of collaborating with the existing Spanish translation as linked from
< the l10n server project page: <a href="http://l10n.drupal.org.es/" target="_blank">http://l10n.drupal.org.es/</a> ?
<2008/6/7 Marco Antonio Villegas Vega <a href="mailto:marvil07@gmail.com" target="_blank"><marvil07@gmail.com></a>:
<Hi Gábor,
I am doing that myself, after colaborating with that server, due to the
sheer reason that this server and effort is half-way dead or so it seems.
That is: You get no feedback whatsoever from that project and if people
ready to work on translations would have to adapt to that pace, the
translation of Drupal 6 into Spanish would be stalled, as the Drupal Hispano
translation project seems to be.
The reason why this seems to happen, I don't know and to be honest, I don't
care. Drupal Hispano is just a group of Spanish speakers in a world full of
them.
My question then is: Does Spanish speaking folks have to quit using Drupal
because Drupal Hispano has a slow path?
Unless it's 'officially forbidden' to contribute with other ways, my own
answer is a no.
A centralized effort would be much better, of course. But the absence or
faulty functioning of it should not hinder the sum of individual efforts in
the Drupal.org site itself.
Excuse me for jumping in, please.
Gustavo Sánchez, from Madrid
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