Re: [development] Early Drupal 6 review from Chris Messina
Hi gang, Delurking for a bit : My comment on Ignacio's comment got a bit longish and given it is not directly related to development, I took it to my blog. http://lizasabater.com/drupal_vs_the_blog_meme I invite you to read it within the context of user experience. Hope it helps to understand a bit better why Chris Messina's comments are important beyond the technological concept of "a blog". Back to lurking, liza -- Liza Sabater, Publisher culturekitchen.com dailygotham.com AIM cultkitdiva MOB 646.552.7365 --------- Original Message -------- From: development@drupal.org To: development@drupal.org <development@drupal.org> Subject: Re: [development] Early Drupal 6 review from Chris Messina Date: 10/11/07 02:43
> True. But in some cases, it would maybe make more sense for an > installation profile to follow the suggestions.
And thanks to you, because that was I realized after thinking about it. It's valuable information for stressing the installing profiles. I don't need a "more funny and complete" information in 'my account' space by default if I'm using drupal as a fronted only wihtout users.
I agree in some of the terms, like "cron" and the mess between taxonomy/categories and vocabulary/topics, but thinking about it, drupal has it's own model, beggining with the so complicated to explain in two lines topic: "The node", so necessarily should have it's own terminology.
On Nov 10, 2007 2:32 PM, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Iñaki Lopez schrieb: > > This review is quite complete, but it's a 'blogger' review, not a > > cms.. all the comments are "blog" oriented, and in somehow.. i's far > > Thanks for saying that. It is exactly how I felt about it, too. > > > from drupal's modeled form (IE: it suggest to set ajax checks in the > > installation, even if the site is not inttended to use ajax..) > > > > In any case, this review is really something to consider. > > True. But in some cases, it would maybe make more sense for an > installation profile to follow the suggestions. > > Cheers, > Gerhard > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFHNbL9fg6TFvELooQRAlF4AKCJrpaw5GMzIyQS9hyREzVkGK0b2gCeLIUm > K2OfmHFWHoZHTSBw0FjvLlE= > =JGk0 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >
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On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:12:39 -0800 Liza Sabater <blogdiva@culturekitchen.com> wrote:
Hi gang,
Delurking for a bit : My comment on Ignacio's comment got a bit longish and given it is not directly related to development, I took it to my blog.
You took it too personally. I think Ignacio's comment didn't intend to diminish the importance of blogs. But I think drupal is not competing in the super-duper blog space. I know I'm going to upset both fields with what I'm going to write. If people would like to have a no-brainer, fancy cms for "everyone" they would chose Joomla. If people would like to have a no-brainer blog they would go for WordPress. Drupal is a CMS framework... more than a framework and less than a "prepackaged" CMS. This makes it a tool for developers. And I'm happy with it because there is no other product filling that marketplace. Drupal pays the bills of web designers and developers too, not just the former as other CMS. And I think you'll always see more Joomla installations even on PMI web sites but more drupal istallations in the more important places where there is place for differentiation. That doesn't mean that we should make it more "end-user" friendly. If it becomes more "end-user" friendly, application developers will have to work less. That's why I prefer drupal over phpcake, p4a, modx, django, turbogears... But this doesn't have to be done at the expenses of ease of customisation, professional installation etc... On an other topic... I saw comments saying we had to help themers and not module dev. I think this kind of discussion is much more strategical for drupal marketplace. As a developer with few design skills I definitively enjoy to make web designers as much independent as possible, on the other side I will develop modules and I don't want stuff get into my way. Writing commodity software is OK if your business model is based on providing the infrastructure, selling ads etc... While I absolutely appreciate ease of installation for me it has another meaning than untarring a file in a web space and go. eg. it means ease of putting up a dev and production installation, ease of upgrade, ease of backup/restore elsewhere... Well accordingly to Collaboration Loop, reported on CivicSpace themselves: "You may not recognized the Drupal name but you have used the product. According to estimates the number of sites using Drupal is in excess of 50,000! These include MTV UK, Sony's MusicBox, Leo Laporte's TWiT site, NowPublic, The Onion, Spread Firefox, Linux Journal, and several political sites such as Vote Hillary, Draft Obama, and Chris Dodd for President. Web 2.0 darlings Flock and SocialText use Drupal on their corporate websites..." Most of these sites may have some characteristics inherited from blogs but they are quite different in scope and structure. Chris own flock is the antithesis of a blog for example. With the exception of few things I agree with most of Chris comments and as well I agree with Larry's comments too. -- Ivan Sergio Borgonovo http://www.webthatworks.it
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