RE: [drupal-devel] adsense from google for drupal
-----Original Message----- From: drupal-devel-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:drupal-devel-bounces@drupal.org]On Behalf Of Dries Buytaert [regarding usings ads for drupal]
That is awesome, Bert. We appreciate your contribution! :)
Hate to push my luck, but I might get a better response if http://drupal.org/node/17905 is promoted to the frontpage. We still have to do some stuff. I'm willing to dontate as others might. But I am not that fond on paying the taxes of all the google ad payouts (esp in the Netherlands!). So for a generic account we might we might have to setup a drupal foundation that wont have to pay taxes. This was discussed some time ago on this list but I dont remember the outcome of this. Anyone? (put response please in thread on site)
Too bad you couldn't make it to FOSDEM. I'm sure there will be more Drupal events in future.
On the plus side, nobody of the drupal team got sick by/of me/my flue by me not showing up ;-)
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, Boerland Bert wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: drupal-devel-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:drupal-devel-bounces@drupal.org]On Behalf Of Dries Buytaert
[regarding usings ads for drupal]
That is awesome, Bert. We appreciate your contribution! :)
Hate to push my luck, but I might get a better response if http://drupal.org/node/17905 is promoted to the frontpage. We still have to do some stuff. I'm willing to dontate as others might. But I am not that fond on paying the taxes of all the google ad payouts (esp in the Netherlands!). So for a generic account we might we might have to setup a drupal foundation that wont have to pay taxes. This was discussed some time ago on this list but I dont remember the outcome of this. Anyone? (put response please in thread on site)
Unfortunately, this has not been discussed in Antwerp. Should we set up an IRC meeting to discuss this further? I think the foundation should be EU-based. I cannot recommend Germany as a good place for something like this... Cheers, Gerhard
So for a generic account we might we might have to setup a drupal foundation that wont have to pay taxes. This was discussed some time ago on this list but I dont remember the outcome of this. Anyone? (put response please in thread on site)
Unfortunately, this has not been discussed in Antwerp. Should we set up an IRC meeting to discuss this further? I think the foundation should be EU-based. I cannot recommend Germany as a good place for something like this...
+1 for EU based foundation - the laws in Europe are generally very friendly to non-for profit foundations (AFAIK) I am not sure of the status and the legalities in UK but can do some research on that. What I suggest is let's take the facts in and decide on that basis - what will be the maintenance, administration involved, taxes, benefits, ease of access, etc... If anyone has experience running such a thing it's fine, but it might take over somebody's life. Any volunteers ? :) Cheers, Vlado
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Vladimir Zlatanov wrote:
So for a generic account we might we might have to setup a drupal foundation that wont have to pay taxes. This was discussed some time ago on this list but I dont remember the outcome of this. Anyone? (put response please in thread on site)
Unfortunately, this has not been discussed in Antwerp. Should we set up an IRC meeting to discuss this further? I think the foundation should be EU-based. I cannot recommend Germany as a good place for something like this...
+1 for EU based foundation - the laws in Europe are generally very friendly to non-for profit foundations (AFAIK)
In principle yes, however... For example I do not know if there is such a thing as a cross-EU foundation possible.
I am not sure of the status and the legalities in UK but can do some research on that.
Belgium would be the natural place for such a foundation I guess. But I agree that reasearch needs to be done before anything else.
What I suggest is let's take the facts in and decide on that basis - what will be the maintenance, administration involved, taxes, benefits, ease of access, etc...
If anyone has experience running such a thing it's fine, but it might take over somebody's life. Any volunteers ? :)
I had my reasons not to recommend .de. ;) We should investigate how much time and effort is needed by other similar foundations. BTW: I do not see this EU-Drupal foundation idea as exclusive to teaming up with the SPI initiative. Cheers, Gerhard
I had my reasons not to recommend .de. ;) We should investigate how much time and effort is needed by other similar foundations. :))
BTW: I do not see this EU-Drupal foundation idea as exclusive to teaming up with the SPI initiative. +1 Teaming up with someone experienced running a foundation like that has a lot of pluses like financial, admin, legal, ... It depends if their goals, ideas and methods are suitable.
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Vladimir Zlatanov wrote:
I had my reasons not to recommend .de. ;) We should investigate how much time and effort is needed by other similar foundations. :))
BTW: I do not see this EU-Drupal foundation idea as exclusive to teaming up with the SPI initiative. +1 Teaming up with someone experienced running a foundation like that has a lot of pluses like financial, admin, legal, ... It depends if their goals, ideas and methods are suitable.
Joining SPI would basically enable us to collect tax deductible donations from US citizens. Nothing more and nothing less. There is a similar organisation in .de but due to German tax laws they cannot _guarantee_ that we will get the money that people send to them on our behalf. I suspect that they say this to cover their legal behind, but... Also, this would only be applicable to people paying taxes in .de. Apparently there is no organisation that can accept tax deductible donations from all countries within the EU because tax collecting isn't centralized in the EU. A EU based Drupal foundation would thus not need to issue tax deduction certificates but only due its own tax report. Cheers, Gerhard
> Joining SPI would basically enable us to collect tax deductible > donations from US citizens. Nothing more and nothing less. There is a > similar organisation in .de but due to German tax laws they cannot > _guarantee_ that we will get the money that people send to them on our > behalf. I suspect that they say this to cover their legal behind, but... > Also, this would only be applicable to people paying taxes in .de. Tax deductions are good, but not the only thing which matters. Things that matter IMHO are: * fund management - what restrictions/conditions they might put on how the money are spent - for example do they frown on bounties * legal matters - what if company X, seeing drupal as competitor launches some bizzare lawsuit, for example patent infringement in US. Call me paranoid, if you like, but that is quite a viable business strategy with quite a few Sun Tsu reading vulture, sorry venture, capitalists and CEOs. * promotion/marketing - what an organisation can do to benefit drupal, this is important for the long term future * help get a voice in/place or influence standards bodies like oasis, w3c, ... > Apparently there is no organisation that can accept tax deductible > donations from all countries within the EU because tax collecting isn't > centralized in the EU. Quite possible. Tax is down to individual governments, so tax benefits probably is not the most important feature of such a foundation. Unless of course somebody decides to create "Drupal Foundation International", with local branches, registered as charities in each possible country - that is a step towards world domination :) On a serious note, some form of organisation would help the project. When - I wouldn't know. That depends on too many factors, we might need to learn a lot from the others - mozilla, SPI, typo3, apache, name your favourite. To team with SPI or others or not - that is secondary to answering the question what is it for - see above. Cheers, Vlado
Interestingly... Typo3 have just recently launched an 'association': http://typo3.org/community/typo3-association/faq/ which has also served to increase their profile quite a lot. Note the entry for Kasper on CMSWatch (top 20 people in CMS to watch): http://www.cmswatch.com/Features/PeopleWatch/FeaturedPeople/?feature_id=121 "Oftentimes, serious open-source projects find a need to coalesce around some sort of institutional body. We think it's a measure of project maturity..." There are definately things to be learned from the way other people have done things. This kind of thing - however - is much bigger that just 'how to manage Google ad revenue'. Ross. Gerhard Killesreiter wrote:
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Vladimir Zlatanov wrote:
So for a generic account we might we might have to setup a drupal foundation that wont have to pay taxes. This was discussed some time ago on this list but I dont remember the outcome of this. Anyone? (put response please in thread on site)
Unfortunately, this has not been discussed in Antwerp. Should we set up an IRC meeting to discuss this further? I think the foundation should be EU-based. I cannot recommend Germany as a good place for something like this...
+1 for EU based foundation - the laws in Europe are generally very friendly to non-for profit foundations (AFAIK)
In principle yes, however... For example I do not know if there is such a thing as a cross-EU foundation possible.
I am not sure of the status and the legalities in UK but can do some research on that.
Belgium would be the natural place for such a foundation I guess. But I agree that reasearch needs to be done before anything else.
What I suggest is let's take the facts in and decide on that basis - what will be the maintenance, administration involved, taxes, benefits, ease of access, etc...
If anyone has experience running such a thing it's fine, but it might take over somebody's life. Any volunteers ? :)
I had my reasons not to recommend .de. ;) We should investigate how much time and effort is needed by other similar foundations.
BTW: I do not see this EU-Drupal foundation idea as exclusive to teaming up with the SPI initiative.
Cheers, Gerhard
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Boerland Bert -
Gerhard Killesreiter -
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Vladimir Zlatanov