I've had the problem to. I just download them at night and watch them the next day. Matt On Sep 25, 2007, at 10:40 PM, Oleg Terenchuk wrote:

yes, i've mentioned it earlier at #drupal but i was successfuly ignored.

what i do is download a bunch of them at a time to my computer, and then watch with videolan.

On 9/25/07, Peter Wolanin <pwolanin@gmail.com> wrote: In anyone else have a helluva time viewing the Drupalcon videos posted on http://www.archive.org ?

I'm getting transfer rates like 18 kB/sec, which is pretty silly if one wants to watch a video with size > 100 MB.

-Peter

-- Oleg Terenchuk Web Manager / Developer Phone: 917 - 306 - 5653

How stable is the bittorrent module? This is the *exact* usecase for it: providing a good means to distribute Drupal videos to the community. I've just checked and the last commit was September 22. Perhaps we can install it on s.d.o? -- Wim Leers ~ http://wimleers.com/work On Sep 26, 2007, at 14:06 , Konstantin Käfer wrote:

Is it possible to provide them via Bittorrent?

On 26.09.2007, at 05:01, Matthew Farina wrote:

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I've had the problem to. I just download them at night and watch them the next day.

Matt

On Sep 25, 2007, at 10:40 PM, Oleg Terenchuk wrote:

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yes, i've mentioned it earlier at #drupal but i was successfuly ignored.

what i do is download a bunch of them at a time to my computer, and then watch with videolan.

On 9/25/07, Peter Wolanin <pwolanin@gmail.com> wrote: In anyone else have a helluva time viewing the Drupalcon videos posted on http://www.archive.org ?

I'm getting transfer rates like 18 kB/sec, which is pretty silly if one wants to watch a video with size > 100 MB.

-Peter

-- Oleg Terenchuk Web Manager / Developer Phone: 917 - 306 - 5653

Konstantin Käfer -- http://kkaefer.com/

Sorry the downloads are slow. they actually uploaded pretty quickly at the drupalcon itself, less than 15 minutes per video. now I'm uploading the rest of them on a slower connection... Thanks robin for the coblitz tip. It seems the download speeds vary depending on time of day, which archive.org node you're downloading from, etc. Btw, does anyone know if the video from the main room is online? I missed most of those sessions while filming upstairs.. --mark Thanks for the tip. On 9/26/07, Robin Monks <robin@civicspacelabs.org> wrote:

Prepend http://coblitz.codeen.org/ to the beginning of the video URLs and they'll get up past 200KB/s. :)

Robin

On 9/25/07, Peter Wolanin <pwolanin@gmail.com> wrote:

...

In anyone else have a helluva time viewing the Drupalcon videos posted on http://www.archive.org ?

I'm getting transfer rates like 18 kB/sec, which is pretty silly if one wants to watch a video with size > 100 MB.

-Peter

-- Robin Monks @ www.civicspacelabs.org @ www.gmking.org @ www.multimediachurches.org

Fax: (419) 791-8076

"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might." ~ Ephesians 6:10

Isn't it called bit torrent? :) On 9/27/07, Boris Mann <boris@bryght.com> wrote:

On 9/27/07, David Strauss <david@fourkitchens.com> wrote:

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I will host some DrupalCon videos on the Four Kitchens servers.

Thanks, David.

OK, I am going to ping the infrastructure list about this: we need to make plans to support this, even if it is only to set up a central site to help coordinate mirrors around the world.

Anyone who knows mirroring systems / video storage / etc. -- hop on the infrastructure list and help out with ideas.

-- Boris Mann Office 604-682-2889 Skype borismann http://www.bryght.com

We have some older conferences on bittorrent, and now there are no seeds, so we've basically lose the value. Robin On 9/28/07, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote:

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Isn't it called bit torrent? :)

Does anybody have experience in setting these up? I've asked OSUOSL and they have no experiecne with these things. Neither have I.

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Hello, The bittorrent module has an integrated tracker and supports the web-seeding extension. This means two things: a) The tracker will not have to be run from the command line b) Should no seeds be available the torrent clients would pull data from the server over HTTP (should the client support it) There are two quasi-standards for webseeding (Azureus supporting both). One is the BitTornado spec, which uses a PHP file to retrieve the necessary bytes from the file thus allowing fine grain access control and the ability to throttle. Since it sounds as though the videos would be available to download directly from the server anyway, I would go with the GetRight implementation which uses HTTP byte ranges to query the server directly, eliminating the "middle-man" PHP file, but it loses the access control. The documentation for the module is a bit lacking at the moment, but this should be fixed shortly. ~Chris On 9/28/07, mark burdett <mfburdett@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, for bittorrent you just need a tracker, which you can run from the command-line on a server, and then a .torrent file for each video (to generate the torrent file you just need the video file itself and the tracker url, and pass that into e.g. maketorrent-console).

I'm not particularly motivated to create the torrents at the moment since download time for a video seems to be ~30 minutes, or shorter than the video itself.

but at least for next time, it would be a good idea to post .torrent files simultaneously with the videos..

--mark

On 9/28/07, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote:

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Steven Peck schrieb:

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Isn't it called bit torrent? :)

Does anybody have experience in setting these up? I've asked OSUOSL and they have no experiecne with these things. Neither have I.

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-- Christopher P. Bradford

With webseeding, it would be ideal. Robin On 9/28/07, Tomas J. Fulopp <tomi@vacilando.org> wrote:

Sounds like providing the videos (or any larger files) using the bittorrent is the most advantageous approach. Why not using it since Drupal already has a very good module developed for it?

Tomas

Christopher Bradford wrote:

Hello, The bittorrent module has an integrated tracker and supports the web-seeding extension. This means two things: a) The tracker will not have to be run from the command line b) Should no seeds be available the torrent clients would pull data from the server over HTTP (should the client support it)

There are two quasi-standards for webseeding (Azureus supporting both). One is the BitTornado spec, which uses a PHP file to retrieve the necessary bytes from the file thus allowing fine grain access control and the ability to throttle. Since it sounds as though the videos would be available to download directly from the server anyway, I would go with the GetRight implementation which uses HTTP byte ranges to query the server directly, eliminating the "middle-man" PHP file, but it loses the access control.

The documentation for the module is a bit lacking at the moment, but this should be fixed shortly.

~Chris

On 9/28/07, mark burdett < mfburdett@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hi, for bittorrent you just need a tracker, which you can run from the command-line on a server, and then a .torrent file for each video (to generate the torrent file you just need the video file itself and the tracker url, and pass that into e.g. maketorrent-console).

I'm not particularly motivated to create the torrents at the moment since download time for a video seems to be ~30 minutes, or shorter than the video itself.

but at least for next time, it would be a good idea to post .torrent files simultaneously with the videos..

--mark

On 9/28/07, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote:

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Steven Peck schrieb:

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Isn't it called bit torrent? :)

Does anybody have experience in setting these up? I've asked OSUOSL and they have no experiecne with these things. Neither have I.

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-- Christopher P. Bradford

-- Robin Monks @ www.civicspacelabs.org @ www.gmking.org @ www.multimediachurches.org Fax: (419) 791-8076 "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might." ~ Ephesians 6:10

This would necessitate some evangelizing and education regarding torrents in general (which I am not against). If we go this way, I'd be happy to draft up a "torrent tips" handbook page to point to background info links. I'd need some help collecting names/links of good clients -- my torrential experience is limited to Azureus/Vuze. However, another consideration might be that some ISPs like Comcast and many universities are (rumored to be) blocking torrent packets (under the assumption that if it's a torrent, it *must* be illegal). Laura On Sep 28, 2007, at 8:44 AM, Robin Monks wrote:

With webseeding, it would be ideal.

Robin

On 9/28/07, Tomas J. Fulopp <tomi@vacilando.org> wrote: Sounds like providing the videos (or any larger files) using the bittorrent is the most advantageous approach. Why not using it since Drupal already has a very good module developed for it?

Tomas

Christopher Bradford wrote:

...

Hello, The bittorrent module has an integrated tracker and supports the web-seeding extension. This means two things: a) The tracker will not have to be run from the command line b) Should no seeds be available the torrent clients would pull data from the server over HTTP (should the client support it)

There are two quasi-standards for webseeding (Azureus supporting both). One is the BitTornado spec, which uses a PHP file to retrieve the necessary bytes from the file thus allowing fine grain access control and the ability to throttle. Since it sounds as though the videos would be available to download directly from the server anyway, I would go with the GetRight implementation which uses HTTP byte ranges to query the server directly, eliminating the "middle-man" PHP file, but it loses the access control.

The documentation for the module is a bit lacking at the moment, but this should be fixed shortly.

~Chris

On 9/28/07, mark burdett < mfburdett@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, for bittorrent you just need a tracker, which you can run from the command-line on a server, and then a .torrent file for each video (to generate the torrent file you just need the video file itself and the tracker url, and pass that into e.g. maketorrent-console).

I'm not particularly motivated to create the torrents at the moment since download time for a video seems to be ~30 minutes, or shorter than the video itself.

but at least for next time, it would be a good idea to post .torrent files simultaneously with the videos..

--mark

On 9/28/07, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote:

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Steven Peck schrieb:

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Isn't it called bit torrent? :)

Does anybody have experience in setting these up? I've asked OSUOSL and they have no experiecne with these things. Neither have I.

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-- Christopher P. Bradford

-- Robin Monks @ www.civicspacelabs.org @ www.gmking.org @ www.multimediachurches.org

Fax: (419) 791-8076

"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might." ~ Ephesians 6:10

It's really just a matter of changing ports in your torrent client. My university receives a lot of complaints and threats from lawyears every month, but can't do anything to stop it as students just use "safe" ports. They can't see what's a torrent being downloaded and what is academic material :) On 28. sep. 2007, at 21.57, Laura Scott wrote:

This would necessitate some evangelizing and education regarding torrents in general (which I am not against). If we go this way, I'd be happy to draft up a "torrent tips" handbook page to point to background info links. I'd need some help collecting names/links of good clients -- my torrential experience is limited to Azureus/Vuze.

However, another consideration might be that some ISPs like Comcast and many universities are (rumored to be) blocking torrent packets (under the assumption that if it's a torrent, it *must* be illegal).

Laura

On Sep 28, 2007, at 8:44 AM, Robin Monks wrote:

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With webseeding, it would be ideal.

Robin

On 9/28/07, Tomas J. Fulopp <tomi@vacilando.org> wrote: Sounds like providing the videos (or any larger files) using the bittorrent is the most advantageous approach. Why not using it since Drupal already has a very good module developed for it?

Tomas

Christopher Bradford wrote:

...

Hello, The bittorrent module has an integrated tracker and supports the web-seeding extension. This means two things: a) The tracker will not have to be run from the command line b) Should no seeds be available the torrent clients would pull data from the server over HTTP (should the client support it)

There are two quasi-standards for webseeding (Azureus supporting both). One is the BitTornado spec, which uses a PHP file to retrieve the necessary bytes from the file thus allowing fine grain access control and the ability to throttle. Since it sounds as though the videos would be available to download directly from the server anyway, I would go with the GetRight implementation which uses HTTP byte ranges to query the server directly, eliminating the "middle-man" PHP file, but it loses the access control.

The documentation for the module is a bit lacking at the moment, but this should be fixed shortly.

~Chris

On 9/28/07, mark burdett < mfburdett@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, for bittorrent you just need a tracker, which you can run from the command-line on a server, and then a .torrent file for each video (to generate the torrent file you just need the video file itself and the tracker url, and pass that into e.g. maketorrent-console).

I'm not particularly motivated to create the torrents at the moment since download time for a video seems to be ~30 minutes, or shorter than the video itself.

but at least for next time, it would be a good idea to post .torrent files simultaneously with the videos..

--mark

On 9/28/07, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote:

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Steven Peck schrieb:

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Isn't it called bit torrent? :)

Does anybody have experience in setting these up? I've asked OSUOSL and they have no experiecne with these things. Neither have I.

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-- Christopher P. Bradford

-- Robin Monks @ www.civicspacelabs.org @ www.gmking.org @ www.multimediachurches.org

Fax: (419) 791-8076

"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might." ~ Ephesians 6:10

I think "The Final Solution," in its title-case form, refers to something slightly different. Wim Leers wrote:

The support for webseeding is exactly why I'm proposing this as The Final Solution to this ever recurring problem.

Nice work by the way, Christopher!

Wim Leers ~ http://wimleers.com/work

On Sep 28, 2007, at 16:19 , Christopher Bradford wrote:

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The bittorrent module has an integrated tracker and supports the web-seeding extension. This means two things: a) The tracker will not have to be run from the command line b) Should no seeds be available the torrent clients would pull data from the server over HTTP (should the client support it)

Wow, never thought I'd see Godwin's law come into effect on this list. LOL Robin Monks wrote:

<generic flame-war starting comments>

On 9/28/07, *David Strauss* <david@fourkitchens.com <mailto:david@fourkitchens.com>> wrote:

I think "The Final Solution," in its title-case form, refers to something slightly different.

Wim Leers wrote: > The support for webseeding is exactly why I'm proposing this as The > Final Solution to this ever recurring problem. > > Nice work by the way, Christopher! > > Wim Leers ~ http://wimleers.com/work > > > On Sep 28, 2007, at 16:19 , Christopher Bradford wrote: > >> The bittorrent module has an integrated tracker and supports the >> web-seeding extension. This means two things: >> a) The tracker will not have to be run from the command line >> b) Should no seeds be available the torrent clients would pull data >> from the server over HTTP (should the client support it) >

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Fax: (419) 791-8076

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-- Sean Robertson Web Developer NGP Software, Inc. seanr@ngpsoftware.com (202) 686-9330 http://www.ngpsoftware.com

My sincere apologies. I wasn't aware that it referred to something else. I'll rephrase: I think that once we've got Christopher's Bittorrent module with web-seeding support in place, we won't have to worry about the distribution of Drupal videos any time soon. Wim Leers ~ http://wimleers.com/work On Sep 28, 2007, at 18:16 , David Strauss wrote:

I think "The Final Solution," in its title-case form, refers to something slightly different.

Wim Leers wrote:

...

The support for webseeding is exactly why I'm proposing this as The Final Solution to this ever recurring problem.

Nice work by the way, Christopher!

Wim Leers ~ http://wimleers.com/work

On Sep 28, 2007, at 16:19 , Christopher Bradford wrote:

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The bittorrent module has an integrated tracker and supports the web-seeding extension. This means two things: a) The tracker will not have to be run from the command line b) Should no seeds be available the torrent clients would pull data from the server over HTTP (should the client support it)

I think trackerless torrents don't allow webseeding, right? Robin On 9/28/07, Farsheed <tfarsheed@yahoo.com> wrote:

What about the possibility of trackerless torrents?

--- mark burdett <mfburdett@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi, for bittorrent you just need a tracker, which you can run from the command-line on a server, and then a .torrent file for each video (to generate the torrent file you just need the video file itself and the tracker url, and pass that into e.g. maketorrent-console).

I'm not particularly motivated to create the torrents at the moment since download time for a video seems to be ~30 minutes, or shorter than the video itself.

but at least for next time, it would be a good idea to post .torrent files simultaneously with the videos..

--mark

On 9/28/07, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote:

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Steven Peck schrieb:

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Isn't it called bit torrent? :)

Does anybody have experience in setting these up? I've asked OSUOSL and they have no experiecne with these things. Neither have I.

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