In anyone else have a helluva time viewing the Drupalcon videos posted on http://www.archive.org ? I'm getting transfer rates like 18 kB/sec, which is pretty silly if one wants to watch a video with size > 100 MB. -Peter
yes, i've mentioned it earlier at #drupal but i was successfuly ignored. what i do is download a bunch of them at a time to my computer, and then watch with videolan. On 9/25/07, Peter Wolanin <pwolanin@gmail.com> wrote:
In anyone else have a helluva time viewing the Drupalcon videos posted on http://www.archive.org ?
I'm getting transfer rates like 18 kB/sec, which is pretty silly if one wants to watch a video with size > 100 MB.
-Peter
-- Oleg Terenchuk Web Manager / Developer Phone: 917 - 306 - 5653
I've had the problem to. I just download them at night and watch them the next day. Matt On Sep 25, 2007, at 10:40 PM, Oleg Terenchuk wrote:
yes, i've mentioned it earlier at #drupal but i was successfuly ignored.
what i do is download a bunch of them at a time to my computer, and then watch with videolan.
On 9/25/07, Peter Wolanin <pwolanin@gmail.com> wrote: In anyone else have a helluva time viewing the Drupalcon videos posted on http://www.archive.org ?
I'm getting transfer rates like 18 kB/sec, which is pretty silly if one wants to watch a video with size > 100 MB.
-Peter
-- Oleg Terenchuk Web Manager / Developer Phone: 917 - 306 - 5653
Is it possible to provide them via Bittorrent? On 26.09.2007, at 05:01, Matthew Farina wrote:
I've had the problem to. I just download them at night and watch them the next day.
Matt
On Sep 25, 2007, at 10:40 PM, Oleg Terenchuk wrote:
yes, i've mentioned it earlier at #drupal but i was successfuly ignored.
what i do is download a bunch of them at a time to my computer, and then watch with videolan.
On 9/25/07, Peter Wolanin <pwolanin@gmail.com> wrote: In anyone else have a helluva time viewing the Drupalcon videos posted on http://www.archive.org ?
I'm getting transfer rates like 18 kB/sec, which is pretty silly if one wants to watch a video with size > 100 MB.
-Peter
-- Oleg Terenchuk Web Manager / Developer Phone: 917 - 306 - 5653
Konstantin Käfer -- http://kkaefer.com/
How stable is the bittorrent module? This is the *exact* usecase for it: providing a good means to distribute Drupal videos to the community. I've just checked and the last commit was September 22. Perhaps we can install it on s.d.o? -- Wim Leers ~ http://wimleers.com/work On Sep 26, 2007, at 14:06 , Konstantin Käfer wrote:
Is it possible to provide them via Bittorrent?
On 26.09.2007, at 05:01, Matthew Farina wrote:
I've had the problem to. I just download them at night and watch them the next day.
Matt
On Sep 25, 2007, at 10:40 PM, Oleg Terenchuk wrote:
yes, i've mentioned it earlier at #drupal but i was successfuly ignored.
what i do is download a bunch of them at a time to my computer, and then watch with videolan.
On 9/25/07, Peter Wolanin <pwolanin@gmail.com> wrote: In anyone else have a helluva time viewing the Drupalcon videos posted on http://www.archive.org ?
I'm getting transfer rates like 18 kB/sec, which is pretty silly if one wants to watch a video with size > 100 MB.
-Peter
-- Oleg Terenchuk Web Manager / Developer Phone: 917 - 306 - 5653
Konstantin Käfer -- http://kkaefer.com/
On 26.09.2007, at 14:21, Wim Leers wrote:
How stable is the bittorrent module? This is the *exact* usecase for it: providing a good means to distribute Drupal videos to the community. I've just checked and the last commit was September 22. Perhaps we can install it on s.d.o?
The videos from FrosCon were distributed using Bittorrent. We don't necessarily need to use the Drupal bittorrent module, any tracker software is fine. Konstantin Käfer -- http://kkaefer.com/
Prepend http://coblitz.codeen.org/ to the beginning of the video URLs and they'll get up past 200KB/s. :) Robin On 9/25/07, Peter Wolanin <pwolanin@gmail.com> wrote:
In anyone else have a helluva time viewing the Drupalcon videos posted on http://www.archive.org ?
I'm getting transfer rates like 18 kB/sec, which is pretty silly if one wants to watch a video with size > 100 MB.
-Peter
-- Robin Monks @ www.civicspacelabs.org @ www.gmking.org @ www.multimediachurches.org Fax: (419) 791-8076 "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might." ~ Ephesians 6:10
Hello all, How stable is the bittorrent module? The BitTorrent module is stable, and with the past few commits I have squashed the major bugs. I am still working on a fleshing the module out a bit more before releasing a stable build, but it should handle this fine. ~Chris On 9/26/07, Robin Monks <robin@civicspacelabs.org> wrote:
Prepend http://coblitz.codeen.org/ to the beginning of the video URLs and they'll get up past 200KB/s. :)
Robin
On 9/25/07, Peter Wolanin <pwolanin@gmail.com> wrote:
In anyone else have a helluva time viewing the Drupalcon videos posted on http://www.archive.org ?
I'm getting transfer rates like 18 kB/sec, which is pretty silly if one wants to watch a video with size > 100 MB.
-Peter
-- Robin Monks @ www.civicspacelabs.org @ www.gmking.org @ www.multimediachurches.org
Fax: (419) 791-8076
"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might." ~ Ephesians 6:10
-- Christopher P. Bradford 901 W. Franklin Street Richmond, VA 23284 (804) 828-9238
Sorry the downloads are slow. they actually uploaded pretty quickly at the drupalcon itself, less than 15 minutes per video. now I'm uploading the rest of them on a slower connection... Thanks robin for the coblitz tip. It seems the download speeds vary depending on time of day, which archive.org node you're downloading from, etc. Btw, does anyone know if the video from the main room is online? I missed most of those sessions while filming upstairs.. --mark Thanks for the tip. On 9/26/07, Robin Monks <robin@civicspacelabs.org> wrote:
Prepend http://coblitz.codeen.org/ to the beginning of the video URLs and they'll get up past 200KB/s. :)
Robin
On 9/25/07, Peter Wolanin <pwolanin@gmail.com> wrote:
In anyone else have a helluva time viewing the Drupalcon videos posted on http://www.archive.org ?
I'm getting transfer rates like 18 kB/sec, which is pretty silly if one wants to watch a video with size > 100 MB.
-Peter
-- Robin Monks @ www.civicspacelabs.org @ www.gmking.org @ www.multimediachurches.org
Fax: (419) 791-8076
"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might." ~ Ephesians 6:10
Op woensdag 26-09-2007 om 10:07 uur [tijdzone -0300], schreef Robin Monks:
Prepend http://coblitz.codeen.org/ to the beginning of the video URLs and they'll get up past 200KB/s. :)
I got an error message saying that it was overloaded, the drupal effect? ;) Because the videos on archive.org were to slow to watch, I downloaded the them to my server and watched them from there. They are still available if anyone is interested: http://drupal.motd.be/archive/conferences/barcelona2007/ Its only a simple VPS, but it should do a couple hundred KB/s. Enjoy. Bart
I will host some DrupalCon videos on the Four Kitchens servers. Peter Wolanin wrote:
In anyone else have a helluva time viewing the Drupalcon videos posted on http://www.archive.org ?
I'm getting transfer rates like 18 kB/sec, which is pretty silly if one wants to watch a video with size > 100 MB.
-Peter
On 9/27/07, David Strauss <david@fourkitchens.com> wrote:
I will host some DrupalCon videos on the Four Kitchens servers.
Thanks, David. OK, I am going to ping the infrastructure list about this: we need to make plans to support this, even if it is only to set up a central site to help coordinate mirrors around the world. Anyone who knows mirroring systems / video storage / etc. -- hop on the infrastructure list and help out with ideas. -- Boris Mann Office 604-682-2889 Skype borismann http://www.bryght.com
Isn't it called bit torrent? :) On 9/27/07, Boris Mann <boris@bryght.com> wrote:
On 9/27/07, David Strauss <david@fourkitchens.com> wrote:
I will host some DrupalCon videos on the Four Kitchens servers.
Thanks, David.
OK, I am going to ping the infrastructure list about this: we need to make plans to support this, even if it is only to set up a central site to help coordinate mirrors around the world.
Anyone who knows mirroring systems / video storage / etc. -- hop on the infrastructure list and help out with ideas.
-- Boris Mann Office 604-682-2889 Skype borismann http://www.bryght.com
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Steven Peck schrieb:
Isn't it called bit torrent? :)
Does anybody have experience in setting these up? I've asked OSUOSL and they have no experiecne with these things. Neither have I. Cheers, Gerhard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG/KtMfg6TFvELooQRAgjtAJ9insObleczgU3JJ0JwJJujM8oQTACfbYcB wqLqm2yP4oglVZTQIJo03wA= =Qhth -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
We have some older conferences on bittorrent, and now there are no seeds, so we've basically lose the value. Robin On 9/28/07, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote:
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Steven Peck schrieb:
Isn't it called bit torrent? :)
Does anybody have experience in setting these up? I've asked OSUOSL and they have no experiecne with these things. Neither have I.
Cheers, Gerhard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)
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-- Robin Monks @ www.civicspacelabs.org @ www.gmking.org @ www.multimediachurches.org Fax: (419) 791-8076 "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might." ~ Ephesians 6:10
Hi, for bittorrent you just need a tracker, which you can run from the command-line on a server, and then a .torrent file for each video (to generate the torrent file you just need the video file itself and the tracker url, and pass that into e.g. maketorrent-console). I'm not particularly motivated to create the torrents at the moment since download time for a video seems to be ~30 minutes, or shorter than the video itself. but at least for next time, it would be a good idea to post .torrent files simultaneously with the videos.. --mark On 9/28/07, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote:
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Steven Peck schrieb:
Isn't it called bit torrent? :)
Does anybody have experience in setting these up? I've asked OSUOSL and they have no experiecne with these things. Neither have I.
Cheers, Gerhard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)
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Hello, The bittorrent module has an integrated tracker and supports the web-seeding extension. This means two things: a) The tracker will not have to be run from the command line b) Should no seeds be available the torrent clients would pull data from the server over HTTP (should the client support it) There are two quasi-standards for webseeding (Azureus supporting both). One is the BitTornado spec, which uses a PHP file to retrieve the necessary bytes from the file thus allowing fine grain access control and the ability to throttle. Since it sounds as though the videos would be available to download directly from the server anyway, I would go with the GetRight implementation which uses HTTP byte ranges to query the server directly, eliminating the "middle-man" PHP file, but it loses the access control. The documentation for the module is a bit lacking at the moment, but this should be fixed shortly. ~Chris On 9/28/07, mark burdett <mfburdett@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, for bittorrent you just need a tracker, which you can run from the command-line on a server, and then a .torrent file for each video (to generate the torrent file you just need the video file itself and the tracker url, and pass that into e.g. maketorrent-console).
I'm not particularly motivated to create the torrents at the moment since download time for a video seems to be ~30 minutes, or shorter than the video itself.
but at least for next time, it would be a good idea to post .torrent files simultaneously with the videos..
--mark
On 9/28/07, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote:
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Steven Peck schrieb:
Isn't it called bit torrent? :)
Does anybody have experience in setting these up? I've asked OSUOSL and they have no experiecne with these things. Neither have I.
Cheers, Gerhard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)
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-- Christopher P. Bradford
Sounds like providing the videos (or any larger files) using the bittorrent is the most advantageous approach. Why not using it since Drupal already has a very good module developed for it? Tomas Christopher Bradford wrote:
Hello, The bittorrent module has an integrated tracker and supports the web-seeding extension. This means two things: a) The tracker will not have to be run from the command line b) Should no seeds be available the torrent clients would pull data from the server over HTTP (should the client support it)
There are two quasi-standards for webseeding (Azureus supporting both). One is the BitTornado spec, which uses a PHP file to retrieve the necessary bytes from the file thus allowing fine grain access control and the ability to throttle. Since it sounds as though the videos would be available to download directly from the server anyway, I would go with the GetRight implementation which uses HTTP byte ranges to query the server directly, eliminating the "middle-man" PHP file, but it loses the access control.
The documentation for the module is a bit lacking at the moment, but this should be fixed shortly.
~Chris
On 9/28/07, *mark burdett* < mfburdett@gmail.com <mailto:mfburdett@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi, for bittorrent you just need a tracker, which you can run from the command-line on a server, and then a .torrent file for each video (to generate the torrent file you just need the video file itself and the tracker url, and pass that into e.g. maketorrent-console).
I'm not particularly motivated to create the torrents at the moment since download time for a video seems to be ~30 minutes, or shorter than the video itself.
but at least for next time, it would be a good idea to post .torrent files simultaneously with the videos..
--mark
On 9/28/07, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de <mailto:gerhard@killesreiter.de>> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Steven Peck schrieb: > > Isn't it called bit torrent? :) > > Does anybody have experience in setting these up? I've asked OSUOSL and > they have no experiecne with these things. Neither have I. > > Cheers, > Gerhard > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFG/KtMfg6TFvELooQRAgjtAJ9insObleczgU3JJ0JwJJujM8oQTACfbYcB > wqLqm2yP4oglVZTQIJo03wA= > =Qhth > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >
-- Christopher P. Bradford
With webseeding, it would be ideal. Robin On 9/28/07, Tomas J. Fulopp <tomi@vacilando.org> wrote:
Sounds like providing the videos (or any larger files) using the bittorrent is the most advantageous approach. Why not using it since Drupal already has a very good module developed for it?
Tomas
Christopher Bradford wrote:
Hello, The bittorrent module has an integrated tracker and supports the web-seeding extension. This means two things: a) The tracker will not have to be run from the command line b) Should no seeds be available the torrent clients would pull data from the server over HTTP (should the client support it)
There are two quasi-standards for webseeding (Azureus supporting both). One is the BitTornado spec, which uses a PHP file to retrieve the necessary bytes from the file thus allowing fine grain access control and the ability to throttle. Since it sounds as though the videos would be available to download directly from the server anyway, I would go with the GetRight implementation which uses HTTP byte ranges to query the server directly, eliminating the "middle-man" PHP file, but it loses the access control.
The documentation for the module is a bit lacking at the moment, but this should be fixed shortly.
~Chris
On 9/28/07, mark burdett < mfburdett@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, for bittorrent you just need a tracker, which you can run from the command-line on a server, and then a .torrent file for each video (to generate the torrent file you just need the video file itself and the tracker url, and pass that into e.g. maketorrent-console).
I'm not particularly motivated to create the torrents at the moment since download time for a video seems to be ~30 minutes, or shorter than the video itself.
but at least for next time, it would be a good idea to post .torrent files simultaneously with the videos..
--mark
On 9/28/07, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
Steven Peck schrieb:
Isn't it called bit torrent? :)
Does anybody have experience in setting these up? I've asked OSUOSL and they have no experiecne with these things. Neither have I.
Cheers, Gerhard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)
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-- Christopher P. Bradford
-- Robin Monks @ www.civicspacelabs.org @ www.gmking.org @ www.multimediachurches.org Fax: (419) 791-8076 "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might." ~ Ephesians 6:10
This would necessitate some evangelizing and education regarding torrents in general (which I am not against). If we go this way, I'd be happy to draft up a "torrent tips" handbook page to point to background info links. I'd need some help collecting names/links of good clients -- my torrential experience is limited to Azureus/Vuze. However, another consideration might be that some ISPs like Comcast and many universities are (rumored to be) blocking torrent packets (under the assumption that if it's a torrent, it *must* be illegal). Laura On Sep 28, 2007, at 8:44 AM, Robin Monks wrote:
With webseeding, it would be ideal.
Robin
On 9/28/07, Tomas J. Fulopp <tomi@vacilando.org> wrote: Sounds like providing the videos (or any larger files) using the bittorrent is the most advantageous approach. Why not using it since Drupal already has a very good module developed for it?
Tomas
Christopher Bradford wrote:
Hello, The bittorrent module has an integrated tracker and supports the web-seeding extension. This means two things: a) The tracker will not have to be run from the command line b) Should no seeds be available the torrent clients would pull data from the server over HTTP (should the client support it)
There are two quasi-standards for webseeding (Azureus supporting both). One is the BitTornado spec, which uses a PHP file to retrieve the necessary bytes from the file thus allowing fine grain access control and the ability to throttle. Since it sounds as though the videos would be available to download directly from the server anyway, I would go with the GetRight implementation which uses HTTP byte ranges to query the server directly, eliminating the "middle-man" PHP file, but it loses the access control.
The documentation for the module is a bit lacking at the moment, but this should be fixed shortly.
~Chris
On 9/28/07, mark burdett < mfburdett@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, for bittorrent you just need a tracker, which you can run from the command-line on a server, and then a .torrent file for each video (to generate the torrent file you just need the video file itself and the tracker url, and pass that into e.g. maketorrent-console).
I'm not particularly motivated to create the torrents at the moment since download time for a video seems to be ~30 minutes, or shorter than the video itself.
but at least for next time, it would be a good idea to post .torrent files simultaneously with the videos..
--mark
On 9/28/07, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote:
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Steven Peck schrieb:
Isn't it called bit torrent? :)
Does anybody have experience in setting these up? I've asked OSUOSL and they have no experiecne with these things. Neither have I.
Cheers, Gerhard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)
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-- Christopher P. Bradford
-- Robin Monks @ www.civicspacelabs.org @ www.gmking.org @ www.multimediachurches.org
Fax: (419) 791-8076
"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might." ~ Ephesians 6:10
However, another consideration might be that some ISPs like Comcast and many universities are (rumored to be) blocking torrent packets (under the assumption that if it's a torrent, it *must* be illegal).
As a comcast user, I notice that they only block your packets while you seed, so you can still download from peers (and upload while you are downloading). As far as University networks are concerned there should not be any issues if using the web-seeding protocol as that uses the HTTP protocol. For instance, if I were on my university's network trying to download a torrent that utilizes web-seeding, it would appear to them (my university) that I am simply downloading a file off of a server. ~Chris On 9/28/07, Laura Scott <laura@pingv.com> wrote:
This would necessitate some evangelizing and education regarding torrents in general (which I am not against). If we go this way, I'd be happy to draft up a "torrent tips" handbook page to point to background info links. I'd need some help collecting names/links of good clients -- my torrential experience is limited to Azureus/Vuze. However, another consideration might be that some ISPs like Comcast and many universities are (rumored to be) blocking torrent packets (under the assumption that if it's a torrent, it *must* be illegal).
Laura
On Sep 28, 2007, at 8:44 AM, Robin Monks wrote:
With webseeding, it would be ideal.
Robin
On 9/28/07, Tomas J. Fulopp <tomi@vacilando.org> wrote:
Sounds like providing the videos (or any larger files) using the bittorrent is the most advantageous approach. Why not using it since Drupal already has a very good module developed for it?
Tomas
Christopher Bradford wrote:
Hello, The bittorrent module has an integrated tracker and supports the web-seeding extension. This means two things: a) The tracker will not have to be run from the command line b) Should no seeds be available the torrent clients would pull data from the server over HTTP (should the client support it)
There are two quasi-standards for webseeding (Azureus supporting both). One is the BitTornado spec, which uses a PHP file to retrieve the necessary bytes from the file thus allowing fine grain access control and the ability to throttle. Since it sounds as though the videos would be available to download directly from the server anyway, I would go with the GetRight implementation which uses HTTP byte ranges to query the server directly, eliminating the "middle-man" PHP file, but it loses the access control.
The documentation for the module is a bit lacking at the moment, but this should be fixed shortly.
~Chris
On 9/28/07, mark burdett < mfburdett@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, for bittorrent you just need a tracker, which you can run from the
command-line on a server, and then a .torrent file for each video (to generate the torrent file you just need the video file itself and the tracker url, and pass that into e.g. maketorrent-console).
I'm not particularly motivated to create the torrents at the moment since download time for a video seems to be ~30 minutes, or shorter than the video itself.
but at least for next time, it would be a good idea to post .torrent files simultaneously with the videos..
--mark
On 9/28/07, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote:
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Steven Peck schrieb:
Isn't it called bit torrent? :)
Does anybody have experience in setting these up? I've asked OSUOSL and they have no experiecne with these things. Neither have I.
Cheers, Gerhard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)
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-- Christopher P. Bradford
-- Robin Monks @ www.civicspacelabs.org @ www.gmking.org @ www.multimediachurches.org
Fax: (419) 791-8076
"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might." ~ Ephesians 6:10
-- Christopher P. Bradford
It's really just a matter of changing ports in your torrent client. My university receives a lot of complaints and threats from lawyears every month, but can't do anything to stop it as students just use "safe" ports. They can't see what's a torrent being downloaded and what is academic material :) On 28. sep. 2007, at 21.57, Laura Scott wrote:
This would necessitate some evangelizing and education regarding torrents in general (which I am not against). If we go this way, I'd be happy to draft up a "torrent tips" handbook page to point to background info links. I'd need some help collecting names/links of good clients -- my torrential experience is limited to Azureus/Vuze.
However, another consideration might be that some ISPs like Comcast and many universities are (rumored to be) blocking torrent packets (under the assumption that if it's a torrent, it *must* be illegal).
Laura
On Sep 28, 2007, at 8:44 AM, Robin Monks wrote:
With webseeding, it would be ideal.
Robin
On 9/28/07, Tomas J. Fulopp <tomi@vacilando.org> wrote: Sounds like providing the videos (or any larger files) using the bittorrent is the most advantageous approach. Why not using it since Drupal already has a very good module developed for it?
Tomas
Christopher Bradford wrote:
Hello, The bittorrent module has an integrated tracker and supports the web-seeding extension. This means two things: a) The tracker will not have to be run from the command line b) Should no seeds be available the torrent clients would pull data from the server over HTTP (should the client support it)
There are two quasi-standards for webseeding (Azureus supporting both). One is the BitTornado spec, which uses a PHP file to retrieve the necessary bytes from the file thus allowing fine grain access control and the ability to throttle. Since it sounds as though the videos would be available to download directly from the server anyway, I would go with the GetRight implementation which uses HTTP byte ranges to query the server directly, eliminating the "middle-man" PHP file, but it loses the access control.
The documentation for the module is a bit lacking at the moment, but this should be fixed shortly.
~Chris
On 9/28/07, mark burdett < mfburdett@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, for bittorrent you just need a tracker, which you can run from the command-line on a server, and then a .torrent file for each video (to generate the torrent file you just need the video file itself and the tracker url, and pass that into e.g. maketorrent-console).
I'm not particularly motivated to create the torrents at the moment since download time for a video seems to be ~30 minutes, or shorter than the video itself.
but at least for next time, it would be a good idea to post .torrent files simultaneously with the videos..
--mark
On 9/28/07, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
Steven Peck schrieb:
Isn't it called bit torrent? :)
Does anybody have experience in setting these up? I've asked OSUOSL and they have no experiecne with these things. Neither have I.
Cheers, Gerhard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)
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-- Christopher P. Bradford
-- Robin Monks @ www.civicspacelabs.org @ www.gmking.org @ www.multimediachurches.org
Fax: (419) 791-8076
"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might." ~ Ephesians 6:10
The support for webseeding is exactly why I'm proposing this as The Final Solution to this ever recurring problem. Nice work by the way, Christopher! Wim Leers ~ http://wimleers.com/work On Sep 28, 2007, at 16:19 , Christopher Bradford wrote:
The bittorrent module has an integrated tracker and supports the web-seeding extension. This means two things: a) The tracker will not have to be run from the command line b) Should no seeds be available the torrent clients would pull data from the server over HTTP (should the client support it)
I think "The Final Solution," in its title-case form, refers to something slightly different. Wim Leers wrote:
The support for webseeding is exactly why I'm proposing this as The Final Solution to this ever recurring problem.
Nice work by the way, Christopher!
Wim Leers ~ http://wimleers.com/work
On Sep 28, 2007, at 16:19 , Christopher Bradford wrote:
The bittorrent module has an integrated tracker and supports the web-seeding extension. This means two things: a) The tracker will not have to be run from the command line b) Should no seeds be available the torrent clients would pull data from the server over HTTP (should the client support it)
<generic flame-war starting comments> On 9/28/07, David Strauss <david@fourkitchens.com> wrote:
I think "The Final Solution," in its title-case form, refers to something slightly different.
Wim Leers wrote:
The support for webseeding is exactly why I'm proposing this as The Final Solution to this ever recurring problem.
Nice work by the way, Christopher!
Wim Leers ~ http://wimleers.com/work
On Sep 28, 2007, at 16:19 , Christopher Bradford wrote:
The bittorrent module has an integrated tracker and supports the web-seeding extension. This means two things: a) The tracker will not have to be run from the command line b) Should no seeds be available the torrent clients would pull data from the server over HTTP (should the client support it)
-- Robin Monks @ www.civicspacelabs.org @ www.gmking.org @ www.multimediachurches.org Fax: (419) 791-8076 "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might." ~ Ephesians 6:10
Wow, never thought I'd see Godwin's law come into effect on this list. LOL Robin Monks wrote:
<generic flame-war starting comments>
On 9/28/07, *David Strauss* <david@fourkitchens.com <mailto:david@fourkitchens.com>> wrote:
I think "The Final Solution," in its title-case form, refers to something slightly different.
Wim Leers wrote: > The support for webseeding is exactly why I'm proposing this as The > Final Solution to this ever recurring problem. > > Nice work by the way, Christopher! > > Wim Leers ~ http://wimleers.com/work > > > On Sep 28, 2007, at 16:19 , Christopher Bradford wrote: > >> The bittorrent module has an integrated tracker and supports the >> web-seeding extension. This means two things: >> a) The tracker will not have to be run from the command line >> b) Should no seeds be available the torrent clients would pull data >> from the server over HTTP (should the client support it) >
-- Robin Monks @ www.civicspacelabs.org <http://www.civicspacelabs.org> @ www.gmking.org <http://www.gmking.org> @ www.multimediachurches.org <http://www.multimediachurches.org>
Fax: (419) 791-8076
"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might." ~ Ephesians 6:10
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On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 11:16:30AM -0500, David Strauss wrote:
I think "The Final Solution," in its title-case form, refers to something slightly different.
Wim Leers wrote:
The support for webseeding is exactly why I'm proposing this as The Final Solution to this ever recurring problem.
All we need to do is write a single line patch to pipe that phrase through strtolower(). -c. -- Colan Schwartz Internet Consultant | Openject Consulting | http://www.openject.com/
My sincere apologies. I wasn't aware that it referred to something else. I'll rephrase: I think that once we've got Christopher's Bittorrent module with web-seeding support in place, we won't have to worry about the distribution of Drupal videos any time soon. Wim Leers ~ http://wimleers.com/work On Sep 28, 2007, at 18:16 , David Strauss wrote:
I think "The Final Solution," in its title-case form, refers to something slightly different.
Wim Leers wrote:
The support for webseeding is exactly why I'm proposing this as The Final Solution to this ever recurring problem.
Nice work by the way, Christopher!
Wim Leers ~ http://wimleers.com/work
On Sep 28, 2007, at 16:19 , Christopher Bradford wrote:
The bittorrent module has an integrated tracker and supports the web-seeding extension. This means two things: a) The tracker will not have to be run from the command line b) Should no seeds be available the torrent clients would pull data from the server over HTTP (should the client support it)
What about the possibility of trackerless torrents? --- mark burdett <mfburdett@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, for bittorrent you just need a tracker, which you can run from the command-line on a server, and then a .torrent file for each video (to generate the torrent file you just need the video file itself and the tracker url, and pass that into e.g. maketorrent-console).
I'm not particularly motivated to create the torrents at the moment since download time for a video seems to be ~30 minutes, or shorter than the video itself.
but at least for next time, it would be a good idea to post .torrent files simultaneously with the videos..
--mark
On 9/28/07, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote:
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Isn't it called bit torrent? :)
Does anybody have experience in setting these up? I've asked OSUOSL and they have no experiecne with these things. Neither have I.
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I think trackerless torrents don't allow webseeding, right? Robin On 9/28/07, Farsheed <tfarsheed@yahoo.com> wrote:
What about the possibility of trackerless torrents?
--- mark burdett <mfburdett@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, for bittorrent you just need a tracker, which you can run from the command-line on a server, and then a .torrent file for each video (to generate the torrent file you just need the video file itself and the tracker url, and pass that into e.g. maketorrent-console).
I'm not particularly motivated to create the torrents at the moment since download time for a video seems to be ~30 minutes, or shorter than the video itself.
but at least for next time, it would be a good idea to post .torrent files simultaneously with the videos..
--mark
On 9/28/07, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote:
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Steven Peck schrieb:
Isn't it called bit torrent? :)
Does anybody have experience in setting these up? I've asked OSUOSL and they have no experiecne with these things. Neither have I.
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-- Robin Monks @ www.civicspacelabs.org @ www.gmking.org @ www.multimediachurches.org Fax: (419) 791-8076 "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might." ~ Ephesians 6:10
I believe that this depends on which client is being used. The key for the GetRight implementation utilizes a full url. Even if no other URL is in the torrent (like the announce URL for the tracker), there is a full path to the web-seeding directory. It should work, but it all depends on how the client uses the data in the torrent. ~Chris On 9/28/07, Robin Monks <robin@civicspacelabs.org> wrote:
I think trackerless torrents don't allow webseeding, right?
Robin
On 9/28/07, Farsheed <tfarsheed@yahoo.com > wrote:
What about the possibility of trackerless torrents?
--- mark burdett < mfburdett@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, for bittorrent you just need a tracker, which you can run from the command-line on a server, and then a .torrent file for each video (to generate the torrent file you just need the video file itself and the tracker url, and pass that into e.g. maketorrent-console).
I'm not particularly motivated to create the torrents at the moment since download time for a video seems to be ~30 minutes, or shorter than the video itself.
but at least for next time, it would be a good idea to post .torrent files simultaneously with the videos..
--mark
On 9/28/07, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote:
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Steven Peck schrieb:
Isn't it called bit torrent? :)
Does anybody have experience in setting these up? I've asked OSUOSL and they have no experiecne with these things. Neither have I.
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-- Robin Monks @ www.civicspacelabs.org @ www.gmking.org @ www.multimediachurches.org
Fax: (419) 791-8076
"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might." ~ Ephesians 6:10
-- Christopher P. Bradford
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Bart Jansens -
Boris Mann -
Christopher Bradford -
Colan Schwartz -
David Strauss -
DragonWize -
Farsheed -
Gerhard Killesreiter -
Joakim Stai -
Konstantin Käfer -
Laura Scott -
mark burdett -
Matthew Farina -
Oleg Terenchuk -
Peter Wolanin -
Robin Monks -
Sean Robertson -
Steven Peck -
Tomas J. Fulopp -
Wim Leers