What I feel a *little* less dumb about (but am going to duck anyway) is something I've brought up before and that's the, to me, unsightly overlapping elements on drupal.org home page. As I opened up the page today in IE, or Firefox The 'bright green' download 'block' overlaps and sits on top of the 'skin toned' main introductory block at the top of the page. And the dark blue tabs bunch "down" and under at the right side of the top row covering/layering over the search input field. Yes, if you always use fully expanded web pages it looks fine, but there are legions of people who like to see multiple windows at one time and don't keep all their application windows maximized to full screen. For us the Drupal site looks pretty odd. No, I don't have an answer. Steve and I have gone around a bit on this before but I just don't think it represents the best of what Drupal can do visually. And since my foot is so far into my mouth already I might as well say that the color combinations make me a tiny bit sea-sick. (I'm not quite suicidal enough to say anything about the logo) There have been major improvements for which I applaud Steve and others, but I would like to encourage the 'presentation' contributors to consider what might improve the 'flagship' and take it to the next level. I realize this is somewhat secondary to the back-end, but it is important as it is the visible 'face' of Drupal. I would say the visual presentation on the Drupal site is maybe 12-24 months behind the conservative edge of web site design look and feel. As I get ready to duck the tomatoes, and the "well do something about it, complainer" messages ;-), I think honest feedback that is outside the realm of having the skills to contribute can be seen as a contribution in of itself. Ok, let them fly... -Kent